From the outside looking in, and considering what happened to Leigh initially at LSV and now Salford, do Cas and Wakey fans now think it's a safer bet to share a new stadium?

I'm interested to know what you think now and if people who were a huge NO, are now thinking it could be common sense?

After all your own clubs stability is more important than your rivals instability. And in a funny way rivals need each other.

No.

A groundshare may have been good had it been planned 5-10 years ago.

Both clubs have done too much work in their respective new stadia plans and, in Cas's case, they've invested a hell of a lot of money into the project to turn back now. We have to wait and see what happens with the supermarket situation but if that doesn't go ahead then we're tarting up WR.

There's no use trying to push a groundshare at each other' respective proposed new stadium because Cas don't want to go to Newmarket and Wakefield wouldn't want to come to Glasshoughton.

Still NO from me.

No, why should we. Both clubs already get 7k plus a season playing out of sheds so I don't see a Leigh or Salford issue arising, support would only increase for both in new stadiums. If both clubs shared Newmarket it would spell the end of one - as the cards are stacked at the moment that would be Cas which is no use to Wakey let alone Cas or SL.

Also Cas don't have to move, WR could be redeveloped or once NM becomes a reality all efforts in WMDC can be concentrated on Glasshoughton which is still viable. BV no longer can for many reasons. Why would Cas lose everything to be a secondary tenant - why have two blurred teams in one stadium which no one wants when you could have two vibrant clubs in their own stadiums - think big think positive - that is your precious common sense?

There are very very few folk who support either club who want this, certainly nowhere near enough to drive it forward - if that changes we will let you know.

Like I said, i'm on the outside looking in, didn't mean to cause anger. If both clubs can make new stadia work then i'm all for it.

No anger from me, it's an easy mistake to make.

From the outside there is some logic, but when did logic ever play a part in a tribal sport such as ours



It probably should happen but I don't think it will because I don't think enough people would want to make it work - without that consensus failure is certain.

Tbf, Salford's gates have increased since thier move to their new ground (apart from the game that was played at Leigh) and if they can find some form next season then their support should continue to improve.

As far as a groundshare between Wakefield and Cas, it's a NO from me.
I think that if they were to share, over a period of time, pressure would be put on both clubs to merge.
There has been enough merger talk over the years and with a likely reduction in SL numbers for 2015, can you imagine what would be said if they were playing out of the same ground.

Finally, the geographic positions of each clubs' planned new ground means that many fans (of both clubs) would not wish to see their own club playing in their rivals ground.

Listen, there's no need. These two stadiums are set in stone so don't you worry. I've seen sketch after sketch regarding these bad boys and we've got waterparks, theme parks, zoos and revolving restaurants attached to them. They are set in stone. Golden. About to start any day now.

Any day...now. Honest.

Never mind Whelden Road and Belle Vue, what about the iconic national treasure that is Odsal ?
Maybe the All New Bulls could groundshare at Headingley or Huddersfield ?

No longer an issue, since being ' Iconic ' became more important than clean toilets and unobstructed views both BV and WR are fine for another 50 years

Managed a whole season in SL, feeling a bit cocky are we

it would all end up in tears, for the first year or so it might work, but if the support dropped like some fans think it will, the RFL will put presser on and the M, word will materialize again and the same thing what happened with Hull, & Gateshead, & the Giants & Eagles, will happen again one name will be dropped, and i would not want that to happen to Cas or Waky, so hopefully Newmarket will get built, and Cas get a new ground, or re-develop Welden Road, we might not have the new shiny tin at WR, but we do own the ground, we don't lodge, at a football ground or have to pay more than we bring in to the club in rent, there is only one big shat hole in the SL and thats the iconic land fill called Odsel

With Cas and Wakey around Widnes fans have good reason to get cocky. A good first season and new players coming in the days of Widnes being at risk are long gone.

As for ground sharing you never know what will happen. With new grounds, the best policy is to believe it will happen when it actually gets built. Until then is is pretty pictures and hot air. If one gets built and the other falls through you would suspect it will be near impossible to have seperate grounds. Until then both teams will continue to push forward for there prefered site.

The problem with there being one ground is you suspect/fear there will in the end only be one team.

But I've always been this cocky.

Very true!

Its not the 'new shiny tin' which is important. Fact is that grounds get, attendances. If Wakefield or Cas were, or ever had been, able to get crowds which made top level fully pro, rugby league sustainable then no-one would really care where they were playing. But they arent getting those crowds, and havent shown that they will get them, especially in those stadiums which actively put people off.

People dont want Cas and Wakefield to move for the sake of it, its so that Cas and Wakefield are clubs which can spend the full SC, a bigger, SC, can promote the game, can bring new fans and players through, so that they arent just surviving at the bottom of SL with teams full of substandard imports.

Have a go at Odsal all you want, but there is a real and obvious quantitative measure of Odsal, Wheldon Road and Belle Vue, one which shows that numerous times over the last 15 years, Bradford have had an average gate at odsal, which is more than either Wheldon Road or Belle Vue could physically hold.

Remind me again, which club has just gone ' tits up ' ?

Yeah, thats the argument to take when comparing Bradford to Wakefield and Cas.

The point being Bradford can get them through the gates, if they charge peanuts for entry, something I suspect Wakey have been a little guilty of last season

But long term ( or short term in Bradfords case ) it doesnt work

Remind me how many imports Cas had last season?
Remind me how many we have this season?
Remind me how many homegrown players we have?

Now compare and contrast with other clubs.

Wakefield Tigers

Castleford Wildcats

or

West Riding Wild-Tiger Cats

Bradford didnt charge peanuts, and they had great attendances for many many seasons.

Remind me where you finished?
Remind me the last time they qualified for the play-offs?
Remind me when the last time they contested a final, never mind won one?

Now compare and contrast with other clubs.

2009 last time we made play-offs. Incidentally, which was shorter in time than Bradford, whom you were buttering up earlier.

2007 - we won the National League Grand Final. HTH.

2012 imports - 4
2013 imports - 5
No idea how many, probably quite a few, which is laudable, but the quality of many of these homegrown players obviously isn't very high. Anyone can fill a team with homegrown players and finish near the bottom of the table, the challenge is to produce enough quality homegrown players.