Is this Mrs Phallus person just trying to be controversial, bitter and twisted or just generally hates Salford.

Young Lady get over it because the facts are this:

1) Salford has not been in any financial trouble over the last 10 to 20 years. Don't forget John Wilkinson cannot bankroll the playing staff so lets not say it's only down to millionaire owner.

2) Sorry for disrespecting any Wakefield fans, but even the Willows is a better ground than Belle Vue and far easier to park at.

3) If, and yes I know this has been mentioned before, the relegation and promotion system was still in place we still would have been promoted as champions.

4) Never since the introduction of the salary cap have we fell foul off it, not that I mean to cast aspersions, but I would be interested to know how some other clubs managed to stay inside it.

5) Salford achieved a play-off place in 2006.

6) There was only Widnes who had a slightly larger average crowd than Salford in NL1 in 2008.

No offence taken. IMO both grounds have 'redeeming points, but both are ridicously out of date. Belle Vue has an excellent corporate facility, that is better than any of the other 'traditional' grounds. It's primary weakness is the lack of cover (which affects the atmosphere in the ground). Don't think there's a great deal in the parking - assuming both clubs have similar attendances (which they don't - yet).

Trying to remove my bias from the situation, I have been at the willows when there was been 10,000 in the stadium and not had as much problem parking as I did on Sunday. I do know the Salford area a little better though. Wakefield does seem to have a lack of permanent buildings, not just cover. The Wildcats are playing well so far though.

We were playing a big team when there was ten thousand at the Willows. Would expect larger crowds as the season continues, if the team performs better than it did at Wakefield.

Those are 'permanent' porta-cabins! A bit of a contradiction, but they will remain thers for as long as we do!



Good luck with move - we both need to!

Although I don't consider them quite in the same league, Langer was never considered too small. Better still ask Wigan fans or with your connections Feka as to whether Obst is too small.

As for Atkins you are way off. Atkins has for the last three seasons returned an average of 1 try per 2 games, how is that hit or miss. He continues to improve and at only 23 has plenty of time to turn consistent into consistently brilliant.

I 'll bow to Rooney but that has never stopped him being a target for Hull and Hudds at various times.

Latu is IMHO about to hit his true potential this season after a brilliant WC.

It's all opinion but at least do your homework.

Obst at 5ft 9 --- too tiny.

Rob Burrow at 5ft 5 may as well pack it in then.

Widnes crowds were about the same level when they were winning trophies.

Some people have very selective memories, or may be you are blinded by bitterness over the selection of Salford as a SL franchise. If you are bnot bitter, then at least make an effort not to sound that way.

Fella, no offence was intended. I accept that you have some good players, internationals too. Certainly better than our playing roster but the point that I was trying to get across is that you don't have a strong a team as Saints or Leeds.

I've always wondered why Widnes and Leigh fans directed their anger at the inclusion of Celtic instead of Salford, as I have never thought Salford added anything to SL really, except some sort of small presence in the Manchester region, before franchising was introduced. However, its way too early to say they are failing, one home game ffs. Typical Albert trolling

Widnes averaged over 8,000 in the late eighties.

We averaged nearly 7,000 in our last season in SL.

I don't want to get into stupid arguments about attendances, or the various merits of the clubs given licences, but I thought that your comment needed addressing. The majority of Widnes fans are over it and looking forward to our season in the Championship.

This is a crap thread started by a crap troll. We'll see in 3 years where everyone stands. In the meantime, clubs will have that time put put things right. If they don't then that's their problem.

No offence taken, clearly we are not as strong as Leeds or Saints or a few others. I consider us battle hardened and a tricky team to play. However we do have some very good players who would do rather well wherever they went, something overlooked by some fans of more illustrious clubs who like to think there is no life outside the top few clubs. I think we both know that feeling and occasionally we seem to feel the need to be almost apologetic to them, balls to that I say

There used to be gates of 9000 regular in the 70s and that was with 100% home fans, no away fans could normally make it back in those days as not a lot of people had cars then, thinking about it I don't remember Widnes getting excellent crowds either when you were champions?

Simple really , we can easily see how we compare to Salford under the published criteria

With location not being part of that published criteria we struggled to see how we scored lower than Celtic

I dont think I recalled anybody saying they were ' failing ' on here

Since the imbeciles on here are just assuming every single one of us is going on and on about it couldn't you just imagine that we're going on about salford instead? If it suits you, go ahead.

I set up a new thread in the Salford forum about "another usual season" and see the amount of I got from the numbheads who are so much in denial! Its like nobody is allowed to criticise or question the club, Chairman, coach etc, as its the deadliest sin! FFS these morons love their cosy cliques....

Really? What for the past 110 years?

Yeah thats why they are the only Super League club with NO online store ffs!

Or maybe it could be considered that one away defeat maybe a bit too early to judge a season, especially a season that is supposed to be a season to build to steady progress - but lets not let rational thought temper a bit of knee-jerking.

are you obssessed with online shopping??? ffs get a grip. what about when websites didn't exist and we all went and supported our team? where could we buy our tops then??

i know we are in the 21st century but your just being petty now

widnes have never had massive crowds,

and you have missed the point completely (as usual), the fact that salford is in such close proximity to old trafford and the fact that united have always been an extremely well supported team and that they have enjoyed a fair amount of relative success. not to mention that they are probably the most famous team in the world, could have something to do with salfords attendances over the years??

all to do with bitterness, but being a city fan you must find it hard to think and type at the same time...................

TBF he has a point, there is no plausible reason you wouldn't have an online store to boost sales.

ps he lives in Oz hence his interest in being able to purchase gear online.

If they can't even get the basics right you have to question the more advanced developments needed to be a succesful SL club.

I don't know what's funnier, the obvious wind-ups and trolls in this thread, the Salford fans taking them seriously or the bitter and twisted idiots who seem to believe the crap they're spouting about our club.

It's cheered me up no end, anyway!



And as for you. You are a numpty of the highest order. Do one.

This post is nothing but crude and pointless personal insults against GanEden, who raises legitimate points.

Can you not address the issues that he and others have raised?

Well I'm not one who thinks every fan goes on about it, I was just on about those who did/do. I just didn't word it very well

But I can't see what the difference is between Salford and Celtic. Ground? Both poor. Crowds? Similar. Contributions to SL? Salford got in the play-offs once in the past so many years, got relegated twice. Can't see how they would have got anything for that. Youth system? Salford have some youngsters but they aren't exactly amazing, Myler is the only noticable one so far. Celtic have Flower and thats about it. Finances, well can't see much difference either. Location? Tons of RL clubs not far from Manchester. Celtic have the potential to get more new fans into the game (I know you have mentioned location already). Salary Cap? Neither have officially broken it afaik.
I don't want to seem like I'm slagging off Salford here, I think there are a few clubs who just don't add much to the comp. Just can't see the animosity towards just Celtic