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| Quote ="Landy"No Catalan player threw anything back into the crowd, a couple of players threw them to the side of the pitch, the bottle that went into the crowd was from a steward who kicked it back into the stand... and all this talk about it was the Catalan players who caused it is crap aswell, yeah they shouldnt have reacted to it at all, but there were a load of bottles thrown before any of them reacted.'"
That's a well reasoned out post and also explains why a couple of people thought it was a Catalan player who through the bottle back, but I think there's enough people saying it was the steward (who got fired and banned from the ground by RW straight away according to most accounts).
I wouldn't be surprised if it was the chavs that stand at the back of the WRE who just go to the game to get drunk and throw up in the stand
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| <snip> as post is apparently unacceptable!
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| Oh dear Damo, I thought you couldn't get any worse
Most fans don't need telling how to behave, most of us know that to throw things onto the pitch is unacceptable, those who can't understand this then imo we don't need them involved in the game and if it takes banning a few idiots to get the message out then so beit.
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| Quote ="gateaux"Oh dear Damo, I thought you couldn't get any worse
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At least I’m trying to do something rather than wait for others to do something. In fact I’ll be emailing my local MP tomorrow and see if he can help get this off the ground with some funding. I’ll also be getting in touch with the sky sports team via my sisters connections.
If anyone things that this is a good idea what I’m doing here then say AYE!
Quote Most fans don't need telling how to behave, most of us know that to throw things onto the pitch is unacceptable, those who can't understand this then imo we don't need them involved in the game and if it takes banning a few idiots to get the message out then so beit. '"
Still there’s too many who sing hate songs! Ask The Bradford fans about they ginger idiot. He just takes his trouble to away grounds these days after he was banned from Odsal for causing trouble in the away bit. Banning people will only send the trouble elsewhere.
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"At least I’m trying to do something rather than wait for others to do something. In fact I’ll be emailing my local MP tomorrow and see if he can help get this off the ground with some funding. I’ll also be getting in touch with the sky sports team via my sisters connections.
If anyone things that this is a good idea what I’m doing here then say AYE!
Still there’s too many who sing hate songs! Ask The Bradford fans about they ginger idiot. He just takes his trouble to away grounds these days after he was banned from Odsal for causing trouble in the away bit. Banning people will only send the trouble elsewhere.'" Surely even you can't compare the throwing bottles to singing "hate" (normally very lighthearted) songs surely?
And its up to the clubs to work together to ensure the bans are game wide
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| Quote ="gateaux"Surely even you can't compare the throwing bottles to singing "hate" (normally very lighthearted) songs surely?
And its up to the clubs to work together to ensure the bans are game wide'"
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| Quote ="Wire_Yed_79"no more sheep songs
'" You will have to ask Damo, I think he has a list of which songs are acceptable!
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| Quote ="gateaux"Surely even you can't compare the throwing bottles to singing "hate" (normally very lighthearted) songs surely?'"
Hate songs are not nice to hear and throwing bottles are not nice to see. The only difference is people see bottle throwing as more offensive than hate songs because bottle throwing can result in an injury. Hate songs no one’s getting hurt so its ok by some people.
But the truth is as fans we should want neither in the game and there’s no harm in setting up a campaign for the fans ran by the fans.
Quote And its up to the clubs to work together to ensure the bans are game wide'"
The clubs are trying they best by putting out loud speaker messages, adding extra security and CCTV. But its obviously not working as well as it should be.
All I’m doing is trying a harmless approach that will encourage healthier behaviour on match days and reward it. Surely you wouldn’t mind a lollypop for been a model fan Sarah?
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"Hate songs are not nice to hear and throwing bottles are not nice to see. The only difference is people see bottle throwing as more offensive than hate songs because bottle throwing can result in an injury. Hate songs no one’s getting hurt so its ok by some people.
But the truth is as fans we should want neither in the game and there’s no harm in setting up a campaign for the fans ran by the fans.
The clubs are trying they best by putting out loud speaker messages, adding extra security and CCTV. But its obviously not working as well as it should be.
All I’m doing is trying a harmless approach that will encourage healthier behaviour on match days and reward it. Surely you wouldn’t mind a lollypop for been a model fan Sarah?'" Again you can't compare the two Damo.
And I am afraid I can't be coz I am a naughty girl and I sometimes swear at games or sing songs with naughty words in
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| Quote ="gateaux"Again you can't compare the two Damo.
And I am afraid I can't be coz I am a naughty girl and I sometimes swear at games or sing songs with naughty words in
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| Quote ="gateaux"Again you can't compare the two Damo.'"
Is that because you said so? Both are very similar its just that ones viewed as the more servere act of vulgarity.
Quote And I am afraid I can't be coz I am a naughty girl and I sometimes swear at games or sing songs with naughty words in
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Good for you. Bet you wanted me to tell you off but it would be a waste of time as your one of a few people on here who can’t separate Damo the troll from Damo the peace activist.
One more question then my sister wants on the TV.
Its ok for you to break a clubs request of positive behaviour but not others?
You’re a bit hypocritical IMO.
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| Throw the book at 'em.
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| Quote ="peter parker"Again, before you jump in with a load of nonsense about how I am condoning the crowd reaction, I'm not. It was unacceptable. What I am saying is human beings react to events with emotion.
Event - rubbish ref
Emotion - anger
Result - aggression'"
There's the solution then. Castleford supporters must undergo an anger management course before being handed their ticket.
There are plenty of ways to deal with emotions such as anger and frustration. Aggression should be way down the priority list for any civilised individual.
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| Quote ="Paul124897"As the game grows, we're going to get more thugs - it needs to be stamped out.'"
To be honest, I don't think the game is growing that much. I think it's about time that RL supporters realised that there are people out there, who go every week, who react in this way when things don't go their way. And have been going for years.
Quote ="Gaslight"Or how about when Salford fans threw bottles and a FLAIR onto the pitch at the Jungle, narrowly missing the in goal judge and Richard Owen, nothing said about that either.'"
You mean apart from Salford banning supporters who were involved in that incident? Dealt with quickly and efficiently.
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| Quote ="GT"To be honest, I don't think the game is growing that much. I think it's about time that RL supporters realised that there are people out there, who go every week, who react in this way when things don't go their way. And have been going for years.
You mean apart from Salford banning supporters who were involved in that incident? Dealt with quickly and efficiently.'"
What did the RFL do though?
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| Quote ="bramleyrhino"There's the solution then. Castleford supporters must undergo an anger management course before being handed their ticket.
There are plenty of ways to deal with emotions such as anger and frustration. Aggression should be way down the priority list for any civilised individual.'"
I never said anything about anyone being civilised.
I think I've been quite clear about my feelings towards the actions of certain fans.
What I am trying to do is offer something more to the discussion other than let's make an example of Cas.
And as for the solution to the problem, a more consistent and competent refereeing display would have, in my opinion, meant no problems at all.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"What did the RFL do though?'" As long as the club show they are dealing with the incident then is there a need for the RFL to intervene?
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| Quote ="peter parker"
And as for the solution to the problem, a more consistent and competent refereeing display would have, in my opinion, meant no problems at all.'" Fans knowing how to conduct themselves would have helped, as would Stewards who could deal with the situation more competently than it seems some of them did.
Blaming the ref for the behaviour of some fans is really grasping at straws imo - should we let their team win every week just to stop them getting upset at a loss?
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| The fans at cas, unfortunately, have become quite used to losing over the past couple of years, yet we haven't seen this type of reaction before. What I am proposing is it is the manner in which they lost which went some way to causing this reaction, specifically the conduct of the referee. That is something, I feel, which should be included in any RFL investigation.
As for your suggestion for letting Cas win every week...
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| Quote ="gateaux"As long as the club show they are dealing with the incident then is there a need for the RFL to intervene?'"
So if Cas knew who threw the bottles and banned em the RFL wouldn't have to bother investigating?
Having a flair in the ground in the first place was against the law, throwing it further broke the law, the club deserved at the very least a fine for that - not just 'fine you've banned him'
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| Quote ="gateaux"
If you can't see the difference between a bit of swearing and throwing things on the field then I think its you with the problem
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Yes I have a problem with people showing lack or respect to the club polices and the other teams.
Ok Lets say I bring a group of people in your garden. We’ll swear and carry on verbelly (not that I’d waste my time doing so) until you’ve had enough and request for us to stop. But why should we stop when you do exactly the same thing every week (or other) at rugby league grounds despite polite request asking you not to?
Will you ring the police if we don’t stop?
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| Quote ="Damo-Leeds"Yes I have a problem with people showing lack or respect to the club polices and the other teams.
Ok Lets say I bring a group of people in your garden. We’ll swear and carry on verbelly (not that I’d waste my time doing so) until you’ve had enough and request for us to stop. But why should we stop when you do exactly the same thing every week (or other) at rugby league grounds despite polite request asking you not to?
Will you ring the police if we don’t stop?'" As long as people aren't nastily abusive, or causing people physical harm or threat I couldn't give two hoots what they said tbh.
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| Quote ="peter parker"
What I am trying to do is offer something more to the discussion other than let's make an example of Cas.
And as for the solution to the problem, a more consistent and competent refereeing display would have, in my opinion, meant no problems at all.'"
I'm not necessarily on the "make an example of...." bandwagon. What I would suggest is that the RFL act on any report from the referee, question the club stadium / operations manager to see how such an incident could be avoided and, where appropriate, have a standardised finacial penalty structure in place to ensure that all clubs take their ground safety obligations seriously.
I'm not suggesting for a second that Castleford don't, but clearly there was a failing somewhere that meant that they could not control the behaviour of a section of their supporters which, as a result, put other people's safety at risk. How Castleford deal with that to prevent it happening again is more important that how they are dealt with retrospectively.
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| Quote ="Gaslight"Having a flair in the ground in the first place was against the law, throwing it further broke the law, the club deserved at the very least a fine for that - not just 'fine you've banned him''"
Gaslight your talking to someone who disrespects the clubs policies anyways by doing this -
Quote ="gateaux"I sometimes swear at games or sing songs with naughty words in
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Despite the polite announcement not asking her to do so. If she showed such behavour on here she would be banned by now.
Wasting your time IMO.
Quote ="gateaux"As long as people aren't nastily abusive, or causing people physical harm or threat I couldn't give two hoots what they said tbh.'"
We’ll be calling your neighbours scum and will be having a go at the police who come round to keep law and order. Just like certain fans do at games IMO although its seems acceptable.
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