Oh Jonno the grate! There is nobody that bleats more on any subject on the whole forum as you do about Wakefield. You are obsessed.

I think I speak for the majority of people who read this forum, Wakefield fans or not, when I say off Jonno, you boring .

Same old, same old

knew it wouldn't be long before you tired of FC. and came back to us YAWN.

really is time these trolls were banned. But they will not be.

What a ridiculous statement. Time to give it a rest.

Don’t be daft.

It’s a cowardly and unnecessary tactic is the cannonball tackle. It is only negative to the sport, it adds nothing whatsoever and should be eliminated from the game.

Complaining about a tackle technique that has only 1 purpose, which is to injure, should not be criticised it should be supported.

He should be complaining to the RFL with a proper case then or speaking to Wigan players after the game, not sending out a tweet. That’s just playing to the fans.

Players and coaches have complained before. It got a temporary crackdown only. It has come back without anything like as robust a response from the RFL as needed. Players shouldn’t have to chase the RFL for protection from injury.

I don’t have any problem with him tweeting in this regard.

Problem is that certain individuals from different clubs were involved in changes to the disciplinary process. This from the first page of the RFL disciplinary

“A number of changes were made to the disciplinary system ahead of the 2018 season. This followed a review undertaken by the Disciplinary Review Group which comprised:

Neil Hudgell – Hull KR Chairman
Michael Carter – Wakefield Chairman
Chris Hamilton – Oldham Chairman
Motu Tony – former Hull FC Football Manager”

Note the 2nd name on that list, if Fifita wants more answers as to why something like that tackle isn’t punished harder then ask his chairman who led the latest Disciplinary Review Group.

Why have you got such a big problem with the tweet?
Its no different to an interview on Sky or BBC. Its just that he controlled it himself.
He didn't name the player or have a go at Wigan. He didn't even give a biased unfounded opinion like many do.
He got the video so you could decide for yourself whether it was a fair tackle. As it was already being talked about I thought that was pretty straight and honest of him.

And that, of course, is conclusive proof that the review group gave explicit instructions to allow the blatant and cowardly cannonball tackle to go unpunished on the field.

Or maybe it's not - and the truth is that had that tackle been on Merrin, and he'd Tweeted in similar fashion, you'd be leading the lynch-mob to have the perpetrator strung up at the gates of Red Hall.

A significant barrier to changing things for the better in RL, is the pathetic and one-eyed club bias that some supposed fans of the game are guilty of; I say again, if you love the game, this kind of tactic is something you should call out, regardless of who does it - rather than the pathetic spectacle of defending the indefensible when it involves your own club, but condemning it when it doesn't. RL fans are incapable of speaking in one voice - as are Chairmen it seems - which makes us weak, and easy to ignore.

No, but they’ve had a key involvement in how the disciplinary process operates so if Fifita or Wakefield fans want to know why this kind of tackle isn’t punished harsher then you can try get some answers from your chairman instead of just blaming the RFL or saying “Wigan can do what they want etc.”



As for the “what if it was Merrin?” As pointed out Leeds and Cuthbertson were on the receiving end of the same thing 3 years ago, don’t recall too many neutrals kicking up a fuss. If they did maybe this punishment for this type of tackle would’ve increased significantly well before last week’s game.

As for the last part, that’s exactly been my point. I’ve never defended the tackle, never said it shouldn’t be punished harder. But the reality is when it next happens to another player at another club will Wakefield fans and Fifita make much if any noise about it? I doubt it.

I don’t have a “big problem” with it, just a different opinion to it. I’ve already explained why as it’s not achieving anything except get him some likes and fan support on social media. If players and coaches want to see this tackle stop then go about properly and seriously together.

What an obtuse and stupid argument; "Mr Carter was once involved in a review panel, so you must take all your issues around disciplinary matters to him forever onwards?" Dimwit.

And David Fifita didn't say that; he posted a video and expressed a view about that kind of tackle - which is he perfectly at liberty to do, and which no one seems to have an issue with, except you.



So your real issue is that you don't feel your own player received sufficient support or sympathy from neutral fans, so you're manufacturing a reason to criticise the victim rather than the perpetrator?



I should hope they will - but at this stage, you seem to be criticising something that has yet to happen. All I can do is promise you faithfully that if it *does* happen to a Leeds player, I'll be equally outraged by it - and if I'm not, you can quote this and make me look silly.

If that’s how you’ve interpreted what I wrote and twisted it in your head to have a go at me and insult me then their really isn’t any point debating with you. Just showing yourself up really and sensitive to anything involving Carter.....if Leneghan or GH was on the review board and I pointed it out I’m sure that would’ve gotten a different response from Wakefield fans.



It has happened though, to a few clubs for a few years now. The fact that you say if it happens in future....when it’s happened plenty shows the exact problem I highlight, you care now because it’s your player.

Nope - I haven't interpreted anything - that's what you actually said; and your final sentence reveals your true agenda - you have a constant habit of referring to Wakefield 'fans' as if we're one homogenous blob who are all of one view - which clearly isn't the case, as it isn't for supporters of any club; I'm sure, for example, that not all Leeds fans are as obtuse as you, so I wouldn't state it as fact.



Nope - as I've said twice in this thread, I despise the tactic of deliberately trying to injure the opposition, because I love the game, and I've been very vocal about it, regardless of who does it - and that includes my own team. I think it's long overdue time when coaches, players, chairmen and fans stopped excusing the actions of their own players, and only condemning cheating and foul play when it directly affects their own team - that way, there might be a bit more pressure on the RFL to actually listen and do something.

So - I applaud Fifita highlighting the danger of the cannonball tackle, and I hope that something is done that goes beyond a retrospective, situational response to one incident.

I can recall in recent seasons that grub Brett Ferres doing a rather horrible crusher tackle on Oliver Gildart which broke three vertebrae in his back and put him out for three months. I don't think Gildart took to twitter to cry about it during his spell out unlike Fifita who'll actually be playing again this week.

So where exactly did I write “Mr Carter was once involved in a review panel, so you must take all your issues around disciplinary matters to him forever onwards?" Because that’s what you turned it in to. I said they could ask him about this one single issue, not every single issue forever onwards. Why is asking your Chairman ONE single question about the disciplinary such a sensitive idea to you?



So you think one single tweet should be applauded as doing something but get upset at the idea of asking a member of the Disciplinary Review Panel - who would gladly answer his own fans - about it and is worthy of insulting the person who suggested it. Very very strange

Don't you think it's very likely maybe that fifita and Carter have talked about it, not just when that happened but in the past as well, since it's been a bone of contention for quite a while, especially with big players who can't be put down easily like fifita?

Also just because Carter was on a review panel last year, do you know what was suggested by the 4 that was representing it and what got actually taken on board by the RFL?

No I don’t....that’s why it’s worth asking. Carter is open and honest with his own supporters, as Wakey fans you’d certainly get more out of him than questioning the RFL . Like you say he may have suggested some good stuff that didn’t get implemented, I never blamed him, just put out the idea of asking him given his relationship with Wakefield fans. I doubt most Wakefield fans were aware that he was part of the Disciplinary Review Board before I pointed it out.

Any comments on the Peyroux 'tackle' on Shorrocks, or is it only Wigan players that are weakening the brand of RL by intentionally trying to injure players?

we did

Really? Or just saying so to defend your supporters?

If you did all know and still criticise the disciplinary weekly without questioning your chairman then it makes you lot look silly.

I wouldn't expect MC to have any say in the matter of his own players as it would be bias to the decision, its stupid that someone could be asked to do so don't you