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| This item i am posting is not a whinge or a point that is trivial & certainly not meant from one clubs position of point of view. Wigan came to Wakefield last night, agreed diminished in first team regular players, however, they came with a game plan mission to deliberately take out players when possible, this was enacted when players were held & could not move or defend them selves, ie, a third of fourth player attacking the knees, ! This was clear to see by all watching on. We lost four players + others were attacked.
My first point is that there is no directive rule/s for the referees to use to prevent this behaviour !
Therefore, my next point is the brand of rugby league needs all its stars to produce a quality product & not allow a team to deliberately weaken the product match by match.
My next point is that the coach of wigan was more than happy to let this continue !
The next point at issue is of the highest order, the injuries caused can, a) be career ending. b) reduce a career in wear & tear. C) reduce effectiveness of a player. The game is tough enough with out causing deliberate injuries.
Final point is, because players are not protected by officials, players become frustrated & re-act as occurred twice in the fixture of Wakey v Wigan, referees & officials then blame the players etc.
So, this issue as a whole will not change until the rules are changed to prevent it by sending off of reported for a ban/s to follow.
This behaviour is going to continue which pays dividends for teams who clearly operate the tactic/s with the sanction of the coach & club, be aware it may be your club & best players who receive the loss of your play makers & best players next.
The saddest thing in all this is that players who perpetrate this behaviour & actions have no concern for their fellow professionals ?
Equally, sad is the fact that the RFL & SL authorities will not act until a tragedy happens in the sport whilst the brand weakens week by week !
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| Wow what a great post
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| Quote ="TrinTrin"This item i am posting is not a whinge or a point that is trivial & certainly not meant from one clubs position of point of view. Wigan came to Wakefield last night, agreed diminished in first team regular players, however, they came with a game plan mission to deliberately take out players when possible, this was enacted when players were held & could not move or defend them selves, ie, a third of fourth player attacking the knees, ! This was clear to see by all watching on. We lost four players + others were attacked.
My first point is that there is no directive rule/s for the referees to use to prevent this behaviour !
Therefore, my next point is the brand of rugby league needs all its stars to produce a quality product & not allow a team to deliberately weaken the product match by match.
My next point is that the coach of wigan was more than happy to let this continue !
The next point at issue is of the highest order, the injuries caused can, a) be career ending. b) reduce a career in wear & tear. C) reduce effectiveness of a player. The game is tough enough with out causing deliberate injuries.
Final point is, because players are not protected by officials, players become frustrated & re-act as occurred twice in the fixture of Wakey v Wigan, referees & officials then blame the players etc.
So, this issue as a whole will not change until the rules are changed to prevent it by sending off of reported for a ban/s to follow.
This behaviour is going to continue which pays dividends for teams who clearly operate the tactic/s with the sanction of the coach & club, be aware it may be your club & best players who receive the loss of your play makers & best players next.
The saddest thing in all this is that players who perpetrate this behaviour & actions have no concern for their fellow professionals ?
Equally, sad is the fact that the RFL & SL authorities will not act until a tragedy happens in the sport whilst the brand weakens week by week !'"
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| Some of the tackles were horrible but there is no way it was planned. They just started lashing out when yhry were being so dominated.
They need to be sealt with but you are seriously exaggerating the issue.
I bet there will be no more than 2 tackles in the whole game looked at.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Some of the tackles were horrible but there is no way it was planned. They just started lashing out when yhry were being so dominated.
They need to be sealt with but you are seriously exaggerating the issue.
I bet there will be no more than 2 tackles in the whole game looked at.'" the tackling technique is a plan action, whether there is an action to take out certain players does make me wonder
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| On a related theme, and taking team bias or specific events away from things - I believe this type of thing is one of the unintended consequences of the no punching rule. If the players were able to dish out some immediate retribution, I strongly believe it would eliminate, or drastically reduce the instances of;
Cheap shots like the ones mentioned by the OP
Play acting/diving
Wrestling tactics (wont eradicate it, but will get rid of arm bar, choke, joint pressure type moves)
The awful handbags we see whenever there is foul play, where gobby half backs and wingers come running in to have a little push and shove...
All of the above would be gone if the bloke could get up and swing a few.
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| Well, having watched & listened to TC on trinity tv, fifita knew what they were up to, more importantly TC early in the 1st half makes comments several times what there is always happening in tackles with players being held by two of three players & then someone always going in at speed late on the knees. Indeed the 58th minute he then says they have been trained for this to happen in all tackles !!!!!!
Therefore, in answer to pop tart is getting on pc & the person called post, you are calling players, CC & a former player they are wrong, a little weird I think !!!
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| It’s hardly a new tactic and we’ve seen it done by Wigan plenty of times. So the opening posters comment that it’s not just from one clubs view and next time it could be you....well you’re a few seasons late on both counts there.
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| Yep, your right about it happening before but that does not give an excuse to continue ! We all want the product to improve & not be deliberately degraded. If wigan continue on this line by the end of the season they will be stronger etc, etc, as previously stated, it needs stopping by giving power to the referees, to protect the game. & product but also played welfare !
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| Terrible thread title and almost unreadable opening post.
However, Fifita posted footage and its currently on the front page of the channel 9 website, so its made headlines. Horrible tackle with sole intent of hurting Fifita and could have caused serious injury. Whoever did it should get a long ban.
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| Tautai did the exact same tackle on Cuthbertson back in 2016, don’t recall any rival fans kicking up a fuss even though Brian McDermott highlighted we needed these tackles out of our game and said Wane defending Tautai was “a bunch of crap”. Tautai got a 1 match ban.
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| It's a deliberate coached in tactic, watch how Cas tried to avoid it - the players were practically dancing when they were held up to stop a clean shot to the knee.
The only way to stop it is to ban the players for 10+ games and start imposing bans on coaching staffs.
But with Wigan it's ingrained and has been ever since Maguire was in charge and filtered into the youth teams (the u19s coach shouting "snap the pole" from the sidelines before cannonball tackles, being an example).
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| This is from 2016....
LEEDS RHINOS boss Brian McDermott has accused Wigan Warriors rival Shaun Wane of putting his own team’s interests before player safety.
A row has blown up between the pair following a “dangerous” tackle on Leeds’ Adam Cuthbertson by Wigan’s Taulima Tautai during Rhinos’ win at Headingley Carnegie last week.
Speaking after the game, McDermott said such tackles – when a third defender targets the limbs of an opponent as he is being held upright in a tackle – are potential “leg-snappers”.
The match officials took no action, but Tautai was charged by the RFL’s match review panel. He denied the offence, but was banned for two games after a disciplinary hearing. The suspension was halved on appeal and Wane then accused the Leeds club of trying to influence the disciplinary process.
Wane told the Wigan Evening Post used was poor form. I think it’s poor form from him to put his players’ eligibility first before the game and player safety.”
McDermott claimed some players are now scared to stand in a tackle because of the potential of a leg injury. He said: “What sort of game allows that? What sort of game tries to promote that by the way it handles the punishments for that?”
McDermott was not surprised to see Tautai’s ban halved on appeal. He added: “He’s defending himself. If you go in there and you’ve got a reasonable defence, go for it. It’s not about Tautai, it’s not even about the disciplinary – it’s about what the game wants. This is an area of the game I feel we could get rid of overnight by an interpretation of the rule – you can’t add on to the knee or below once someone else is in contact with the player.”
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| Quote ="BrisbaneRhino"Terrible thread title and almost unreadable opening post.'"
Exactly. Poor attempt at a "headline" grabber and then a Misspelt poorly written attack on Wigan's Tactics, which have been done to death over the years.
I would add though that as Wakefield Won, they're fans had little reason to pollute the forum with hardship/punching above our weight posts, so it was only to be expected....
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| Best way to stop it:
Every coach trains their players to do the exact same tackle, but only use it when they are playing against Wigan. If any of the players get pulled in front of the MRP, cite multiple videos of Wigan doing the same thing going unpunished. Continue to do it until;
A) Wigan stop doing it, or
B) Wigan have no players left because all of their knees are crocked
My money would be on A) happening long before B) happened
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| Was the Fifita tackle the worst one from that game?
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| So its only Wigan that does it?
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| Quote ="[Gareth"So its only Wigan that does it?'"
Probably yes but Lyne's was the same. It was just at a different camera angle to harder to see.
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| Quote ="Call Me God"Exactly. Poor attempt at a "headline" grabber and then a Misspelt poorly written attack on Wigan's Tactics, which have been done to death over the years.
I would add though that as Wakefield Won, they're fans had little reason to pollute the forum with hardship/punching above our weight posts, so it was only to be expected....
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Correct spelling is not "they're" but "their."
Also, capital letters in mid sentence is not correct English.
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| you two need your heads banging together, more bothered about grammar than the thread about poor tackling technique that could end a players career
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"B) Wigan have no players left because all of their knees are crocked
My money would be on A) happening long before B) happened'"
So like the previous game where Wigan lost 2 players to knee injuries at Castleford, with 1 of those players now needing his 4th reconstructive knee surgery, 2 of those caused by Castleford?
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| Quote ="CM Punk"So like the previous game where Wigan lost 2 players to knee injuries at Castleford, with 1 of those players now needing his 4th reconstructive knee surgery, 2 of those caused by Castleford?'"
Were those injuries caused by foul play or accidental and if they were thought to be foul play, is this why certain Wigan players acted the way they did in the next game ??
I'm not a fan of union but, the players making any tackle in union are deemed "responsible" for the welfare of the player being tackled/
Of course there are still injuries but, it put's a hell of a lot of responsibility on the defending player(s) not to be reckless.
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| Quote ="Call Me God"Exactly. Poor attempt at a "headline" grabber and then a Misspelt poorly written attack on Wigan's Tactics, which have been done to death over the years.
I would add though that as Wakefield Won, they're fans had little reason to pollute the forum with hardship/punching above our weight posts, so it was only to be expected....
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If you are going to attack someone for their spelling, at least make sure your own is perfect you absolute whopper
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