I'm glad everyone keeps delighting in telling us that Leeds lost and it's history. Otherwise I'd think there was something we could do to have the result reversed.

Of course what's not history is the fact that we have a badly flawed system that could quite plausibly end up deciding who wins the whole thing. Would fans of any side be happy to say 'It's history, we lost' if the deciding score in the Grand Final came down not to whether an actual infringement took place, but to whether the uncertain ref sent it up as a try or no try? That's what's at stake here, 30 seconds to go in the Grand Final and Joel Tomkins hurls himself at a dummy runner and appeals, the ref buys it and sends a perfectly good try up as no try, the decision is upheld and your team lose the Grand Final by two points. Still don't care? I bet you would. Go on, admit it, you'd still mention it more than five days after it happened.

The long and short of it is that everything should be being done to ensure the correct decisions are reached - that means helping not hampering the VR, and allowing them to tell the referee every single time they see them make an incorrect call or miss something completely. Or we could see a referee decide who wins. I know which I prefer.

Will only happen when players know and play to the rules, and fans know the rules.

It's quite obvious many don't.

I'm confident in saying match officials will stop making errors the same time the players, coaches and fans do, which is NEVER.

What was your take on Thaler's actions last weekend? Wiping the tackle count down, then changing his mind and giving a handover after Saints took the tackle rather than kicking. The most bizarre five seconds of officiating I've seen in a while.

Same as when a player knocks on with an open line, stands off side, fails to pass with a 3 man overlap, dosnt know how to tackle correctly, throws a forward pass etc etc, happens all the time.
In your perfect world dosnt anyone makes errors?

They're not rules, they're laws, and I think there are plenty of fans who know plenty of them.

I'm not saying it's unacceptable for refs to make mistakes, they're bound to, they're only human and we have a very fast game. However you seem to be saying that the situation we're in is fine and it's not. Mistakes that don't have to happen are happening; the man with the most information can't act on it; refereeing errors that could easily be rectified with a quick word are not; and errors that are sent upstairs by the on field ref are being continued because the VR's hands are tied.

It's not good enough to say 'everyone makes mistakes' because in televised games they don't have to.

Sarginson playing for Wigan in the TV match.
3 man overlap, failed to pass!
Overlap but threw a poor pass.
Had a break, could have passed but pulled up.
Need I go on? He did not need to make those mistakes because it was on TV by your reckoning,but did, what action should be taken?
You seek perfection, it just is not possible. human beings are involved.

Are you stupid or being deliberately obtuse?

I'm clearly talking about the one element of the game that can be effected and improved through the use of technology - refereeing and the application of the laws. The knock on for example, no issue at all with Silverwood seeing it wrong, but the video ref would have immediately seen the same replay we did and could (and IMO should) have told Silverwood to give head and feed to Leeds.

To use your peculiar example it's like Sarginson being given the opportunity to run the three man overlap again and still opting not to pass. To get it wrong in the heat of the moment is understandable, but to still get it wrong when given the opportunity to review and change is not on.

You can keep spouting your inane crap about players making mistakes all you like, because those mistakes are and have to be part of the game. These refereeing mistakes don't have to be when a VR is present.

I see from the incredibly pointless "ask the ref" twitter thing that Silverwood didn't blow for obstruction on the field because he KNEW Leeds were going to score and he could pass it to video ref
Wish I knew what was going to happen 5 seconds, three passes and a missed tackle later

It's only been a week now

I see the ask the ref twitter thing didn't answer the question about the wiped tackle count reversal.

But Childs tonight deserves a medal. I'm very critical of the refereeing standards in SL, but he was superb. Penalised the rampant indiscipline in the first half and the game didn't half benefit from that second half. To do that in Warrington's back yard under such pressure showed some steel. Credit to him.

He did have a good game, for a change.
I really wish refs would start penalising players for diving & trying to milk penalties though. Was rife tonight and not good to see.

TRANSLATION.....

Nice to see that you have accepted Leeds lost because they were not good enough to win.

Not great in my view.

He completely lost control in the first half; how many warnings did Wire get? I don't think Saints got a single penalty in the second half, so not a single incidence of offside or interference.

He should have issued a yellow card or two to both sides in the first half to sort things out earlier than he did.

Not sure I've said otherwise anywhere but if it makes you feel better to make things up then fill your boots.

Do feel free to respond to Big Jim properly when you get a minute too. Looks like your finger slipped last time.

Child binned our player last week after a team warning after 3 back to back pens, yet last night despite a barrage of pens and backchat he failed to take action. That level of penalties in a game seem to only happen in games child refs, is he working to a different rule book to the rest??

What you need to realise about Leaguefan is that he talks out of his backside constantly.

You've seen when talking about the match officials he has come up with pearlers like:

"In your perfect world doesn't anyone makes errors?"

and

"You seek perfection, it just is not possible. human beings are involved."

Quite ironic comments considering the amount of bile he spouts in the direction of the Sky commentators when they make mistakes. Ask him about his thoughts on Eddie and Stevo?

Don't wind him up too much though otherwise he'll throw a hissy fit, create a topic saying he's leaving and he's not coming back, to which no-one actually gave a toss about

He certainly likes the sound of his whistle.

Still haven't forgiven him for the 42 ?? penalties in the Wakefield v Cas millennium game in Cardiff a few seasons back.

Who was reffing the Wigan v Widnes game? The wonder try Clarke was spraying it about over should have been a no try. Hampshire was about four foot in front when the kick was put in.

No doubt. that one deserves a long thread. doubt it will get one

Some more baffling and inconsistent decisions in the hull derby as well.
Michaels' second try is a clear strip of the ball, is it not? So how is that play on? Cummings had it right and said he would not have awarded the try.
And then Abdull's run later in the second half involved him running behind some FC players stood in the Rovers defensive line - but completely ignored and FC get a scrum feed? What?

As a Hull fan I was very surprised that we got the call with those two incidents. The strip, obviously they've ruled he was just trying to complete the tackle but even if I put put my best black and white specs on I struggle to see it that way.

The obstruction was 50/50. It was very similar to the Leeds one last week and for that reason I was surprised that they were happy with it. The scrum feed was because the pass was touched by Kelly.

Most of the on field decisions were pretty much on the money I thought, and Silverwood kept the game flowing well.

I honestly thought that whilst Michaels hand touched the ball it wasn't a strip and Sio lost control. as the ref has given it there isn't enough clear evidence to overturn it.