It's inappropriate for a head coach to state a player deliberately went out to break another player's ankle. To claim that was Sneyd's specific and malicious intent as he chased back was crazy, and purposefully inflammatory.

Completely out of character for McDermott. As was the tackle by Sneyd. People should review both in the cold light of day rather than with fashionable faux hysteria.

McDermott's allowed his view as much as Radford is allowed his view that it must've been accidental.

Just because you don't agree with McDermott's view doesn't mean it's wrong. You, I, McDermott and Radford can't know for sure what was going through Sneyd's mind at that moment but just because one persons view is contradictory to yours doesn't mean he can't say it.

If the tables were turned and Sneyd was on the receiving end I very much doubt Radford would've sat there post match and said it must've just been an accident.

The whole tackle and play-of-the-ball sequence has become an absolute joke. It's just a mishmash of wrestling, trying to strip the ball, cheap shots, slowing down tactics and moving off the mark. It's becoming increasingly frustrating to watch.

It looked to me as though there was a pause before the roll, so not as if it was the momentum of the tackle. Only Sneyd can know what the intent was, but at best it was an attempt to slow down the ptb which was careless with regard to the risk of injuring the opponent.

If the ref is clear that there were two twists then it doesn't make much sense to have binned McGuire. Like any of us he's going to do what he has to to make the pain stop.

totally agree
and yet it's accepted as part of the game, when we should be looking to clean it up.

i don't remember all these shenanigans years ago, yes there was holding down, interference etc but players made a tackle and as soon as the ref shouted held they were off and clamouring to get into their defensive positions.

now it seems that offside is something the refs pick up on now and again if they have time, after all the messing about at the PTB, the touchjudges seem oblivious to players stood yards offside just metres in front of their eyes.

Tell that to Anderson and Rangi Chase.

Chase had the book thrown at him after Anderson claimed just this. Ferres miraculously recovered ahead of their claims. Once the punishment had been served. Funny that.

Whose actions do you regard as more inappropriate: Sneyd's or McDermott's?

Incidentally, a previous poster (Tigertot?) mentioned McDermott's comments as being out of character. Actually, they're not; he was almost as condemnatory about Chase's cannonball when asked to comment on that. He simply appears to harbour a genuine dislike of what he perceives as cowardly and needless acts. Hopefully his comments are inflammatory and hopefully they help bring better protection to players. Of all teams.

He thought on the field their was only 1 twist and then McGuire kicks out.

After watching the footage later he says their's a 2nd twist with McGuire kicking out whilst still being twisted.

Admits now that the sin binning of McGuire was a poor call.

I'm also getting sick of seeing these so called 'tackles', they aren't that they are acts of assault on another human being who is just playing a game !!

If players committing these acts were banned for the rest of the season from when they purposefully, and lets be honest, if you're going to do stuff like that to another person you KNOW it's going to hurt them and possibly cause injury and damage to them, no matter how much 'intent' you had on injuring them, then maybe it would cut it out a little, especially if it's only early on or at a crucial part of the season...sod this 3,4,5 matches whatever if they are found guilty of doing such an act they shouldn't be allowed to play again that year !!!

It's one of the downsides of professionalism. The massively increased fitness, size and speed of the players means they have the energy and strength to hold players down. Plus of course the extra coaching time available which means they practice such techniques.

I'd agree though that it's all within the referees power to stop these things. They can pick up offsides (especially on the try line), holding down, interference etc (along with other issues like dissent, diving, faking injury etc) if they want to. They are obviously directed by Ganson to not do so.
Though in fairness to the refs I do think they need some kind of 2nd ref system to help see the stuff going on in the ruck.

Got to love more faux hysteria to an incident that happens in very few matches. Sick of seeing them?

Assault
Hurt them
Injure them
Damage them

Brett Ferres banned for the season for his assault with the same potential repurcussions. Ah, but puching someone is different?

My point being it only happens in very few matches as it's such a bad thing !!...so trying to hurt or injure someone for the sake of sport is not acceptable and therefore the very few that do do it should be punished, punching is different as its a spur of the moment thing many times, it could be a culmination of one player sledging another throughout a game or an incident that's sparked a momentary loss of temper - to physically try and injure/hurt another through foul means where you must know what you're doing is completely different !!

Can you please explain how you punch someone on the jaw without physically trying to hurt someone? While at the same time not knowing what you are doing.

Ferris was out for around 5 weeks

Chase should have got longer than he did

Think he's talking about the levels of premeditation involved, one seems more reactionary than the other, punching is more of a natural reaction than aiming a shoulder at someone's knee or alligator rolling someone's ankle.

I know exactly what he is saying, or trying to say. The fact is that the game is cleaner than it has ever been at a pro level. The hysteria around, thankfully, a few isolated incidents needs to be challenged. Anyone who has watched the game pre-SL knows that numerous stiff arms, punches & headbutts were completely pre-meditated. Their sole intention was to hurt & intimidate someone. I played in those games, gave some out, took plenty, without complaining afterwards. I do miss some of that brutality. Moriarty's forearm to Waddell's jaw was sickening & pre-meditated. He got 8 matches. I saw Barry Johnson's career effectively ended by a headbutt to the jaw from Tim Slatter, off the ball, which went unpunished despite shattering said jaw.

Exactly what i'm saying....many people, on the street or on a rugby field have got mad, lost their temper and punched someone in the spur of the moment - not very many decide to go on to the floor, grab someones ankles and twist it around, or get their mates to hold someone while they fly in and shoulder the knee joint etc....punching someone is bad enough but these kind of tackles are willingly done rather than a flash of temper loss !!

tad rhino wrote:
mcgires got a badly broken ankle and his season is done.

Nope, no break and no long term damage. Good news.

yep, it is good news.

and you wrote
"He's already done so. If they haven't got the results yet, how do they know it's better than expected? Wait until Sneyd's banned, then the big reveal?"


insinuating leeds would exaggerate it so sneyd would be banned?

pathetic

Your coach has said Sneyd went out to break McGuire's ankle. You said Sneyd had broken McGuire's ankle, and added it was badly broken and his season was over. There's simply no need to tell bare-faced lies.

Sneyd is going to miss some games for his cheap and pathetic action. That you think it was because of some Leeds conspiracy is simply the icing on the cake. Sneyd deserves no respect, help or mitigation and if Leeds can do anything to make sure he receives the ban and opprobrium he deserves then they should.

Two matches. Fair enough.

Downgraded from Grade D to Grade C so not half as bad as some on here would have you believe.

Apparently Motu Tony prepared a solid, comprehensive evidence-based case and went about the defence in a quiet and professional manner.