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| Looks like a bad one... seems McGuire's ankle has been broken ankle by what looks like a completely unnecessary"crocodile roll" by Marc Sneyd.
Not the sort of thing we need in our game.
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| No need to roll it like that at all - don't understand Hull fans crying 'no intent' when he quite clearly makes the decision to roll the leg. He didn't intend to injure him, sure, but there was intention in his actions.
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| Should have been a straight red, looked deliberate and it's the kind of thing that can end careers. Should be up for the same charge as the guy from Championship One which is what, 12+ games?
Both scumbag attacks that are deserving of severe punishment.
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| its very clear on the sky footage. completes the tackle then rolls and twists mcguires ankle twice. I think he had fridays CC game in mind. Hulls tactis were to do as much damage as possible today and its worked. Sneyd shouldnt play again this season as its unlikley mcguire will
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| Quote from Radford last year (on Elima)...
Hull coach Lee Radford said in the post-match press conference: "If he's gone to roll his ankle, that's an act of cowardice
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| Quote ="Omar Little"Quote from Radford last year (on Elima)...
Hull coach Lee Radford said in the post-match press conference: "If he's gone to roll his ankle, that's an act of cowardice'"
How many matches did Elima get?
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| Quote ="rhino phil"its very clear on the sky footage. completes the tackle then rolls and twists mcguires ankle twice. I think he had fridays CC game in mind. Hulls tactis were to do as much damage as possible today and its worked. Sneyd shouldnt play again this season as its unlikley mcguire will'"
So he thought in a split second, that he would deliberately injury McGuire so he would miss the game next week, potentially risk a ban and miss the game himself, don't talk daft.
You think Sneyd deserves a 13 game ban?
If you really think Hull want out with tactics to injury Leeds players on purpose you are really don't understand the game.
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| My opinion is is was a reckless poor decision and he should get a ban maximum 4 games.
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| Quote ="Dave K."How many matches did Elima get?'"
4 or 5 I think. Don't know how much of an injury was caused tho'
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| it will be a minmum of 10 its was worse than chases. theres no legal manouvre that involves holding rolling an twisting an opponents leg. It wasnt accidnental of reckless it was intended to injure/
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| Quote ="Dave K."So he thought in a split second, that he would deliberately injury McGuire so he would miss the game next week, potentially risk a ban and miss the game himself, don't talk daft.
You think Sneyd deserves a 13 game ban?
If you really think Hull want out with tactics to injury Leeds players on purpose you are really don't understand the game.'"
at best he was reckless or ambivalent to the risk.
Im not sure there is all that much mitigation we can give to a player doing something dangerous in the course of doing something illegal.
Even your reading of it is that Sneyd was reckless in committing an offence whilst in the process of committing a professional foul.
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| The RFL have set the precedent now, they have to go with one of 8 (Chase) or 12+ (like the guy in C1) to keep consistency for the first time in a long time.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"at best he was reckless or ambivalent to the risk.
Im not sure there is all that much mitigation we can give to a player doing something dangerous in the course of doing something illegal.
Even your reading of it is that Sneyd was reckless in committing an offence whilst in the process of committing a professional foul.'"
I agree and that's why he deserves to be banned, but people are going way over the top with the amount of games he should be banned.
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| Quote ="Omar Little"4 or 5 I think. Don't know how much of an injury was caused tho''"
Just watched the Elima incident more or less the exact same incident as Sneyds, so I'd expect Sneyd to get slightly less as he has a much better record than Elima.
I can't find how many matches he got though.
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| Quote ="Dave K."I agree and that's why he deserves to be banned, but people are going way over the top with the amount of games he should be banned.'"
But if there is no mitigation, why wouldn't he be at the top end of the scale?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"But if there is no mitigation, why wouldn't he be at the top end of the scale?'"
Which is 3-5 same as Elima got, which is pretty much what I said.
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| Quote ="Gronk!"The RFL have set the precedent now, they have to go with one of 8 (Chase) or 12+ (like the guy in C1) to keep consistency for the first time in a long time.'"
Or the same as the Elima one mentioned which is exactly the same, the other two incidents are totally different, surely you can see that?
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| Quote ="Dave K."Just watched the Elima incident more or less the exact same incident as Sneyds, so I'd expect Sneyd to get slightly less as he has a much better record than Elima.
I can't find how many matches he got though.'"
But was there any serious injury in the Elima one?
Initial reports are that Danny McGuire has a broke ankle. That would potentially offset any good record sneyd has
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| Should be a 10 match minimum ban. There's no reason for performing that act other than to cause pain and injury. There's no place for that sh|thouse cowardice in our sport.
I'm sick of seeing pathetic, wimpy tactics such as this in our sport. Time to start getting rid of them.
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| Quote ="Omar Little"But was there any serious injury in the Elima one?
Initial reports are that Danny McGuire has a broke ankle. That would potentially offset any good record sneyd has'"
It was the same type of tackle, it was just unfortunate that for whatever reason (bad luck or previous injuries) that it McGuire has come off worst than Heremia did.
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| Just read the disciplinary guidelines and it has to be down as a grade A-D, so even at the top end it will be a 3-5 match ban, you were also right that they take into account injury so it could be 4/5 matchs.
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| Quote ="Dave K."It was the same type of tackle, it was just unfortunate that for whatever reason (bad luck or previous injuries) that it McGuire has come off worst than Heremia did.'"
Elima made 1 movement didn't he? Sneyd makes 2 clear twists.
Do it once then yeah, we can say it's a part of the tackle and it's gone wrong, do it a 2nd time and you're moving into deliberate territory.
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| I've seen comments blaming McGuire, saying he rolled himself whilst Sneyd was gripping on. McGuire actually had already planted his other leg to get up and play the ball, then Sneyd goes on his not so little roll.
I don't think Sneyd did it maliciously to Injure. He rolled to slow down the play the ball and tried to make it look like the tackle was still in momentum. However in doing this he did wrong and as a result has badly damaged McGuires ankle, who knows to what extent just yet. So even though he didn't intend for it to go that way he has still done it and therefore has to pay big for it. Rangi didn't intend to injure Ferrers, but he still did it and served 8 games. Sneyd should do at least the same.
Who knows, McGuires career could be over. Can he come back from a break and ligament damage? It would be in doubt.
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