we go down under with McNamara and we'll be embarrassed like never before and undo all the positives we got out of the last 4nations..

I think it might more a case of club coaches not having time to coach England as well so their's no other alternative.

New England coach ? We have an American team too now ?

If he does go and we get McDermott or Lowes as a replacement then we can just expect to go downhill.

Ridiculous comment.

McDermott might well be struggling at the moment, but he has proven himself far more as a coach than McBannana. Doing a far better job with a smaller club and smaller resources.

McNamara and McDermott are both very poor coaches - expect the English team to go downhill rapidly...

When, where, with whom? cos it sure isn't us, check his stats as a manager for finishing positions, games lost, especially since June 09.

I wouldn't even foist him on the Bulls, in fact there is no team I dislike enough to want to graft him onto them.

Not even Wigan?

Special case tb, you know that, they are always exempt from that sort of statement

Wayne Bennett would have struggled to have done any better with the same resources available. The guy's job was to turn around that club from a squad packed with overseas to a club nuturing its own talent. You don't think he has succeeded with that?

In 2009 he only lost 1 more game than McBannana. In 2008 he only lost 3 more games.

During that time Bradford were still regarded as one of the big 4. Quinss have never been close to that sort of status.

His record taking into account the club and resources is far better than McBannanas, whether it's good enough for you or not.

Just refresh my memory as to what these 'positives' were mate?

Was it the 44 - 16 flogging in the final (Englands heaviest ever loss to Australia on home soil apparently)

Was it the poms scoring just 15 out of SIXTY ONE total tries scored in total during the tournament?

Maybe it was the way you let Billy Slater score ANOTHER hat trick in the final?

Or the way you kindly let Inglis, Brett Morris and Johnathon Thurston claim player of the tournament, top try scorer and top point scorer respectively??

Where the hell did you get that "fact" from? Or are you not including the 114 years beforehand under Great Britain?

I'm just referring to 'England'

Hence why I typed 'England'


I shudder to think what 'Great Britain's' records against Australia on home soil are over the years

Worse probably.

Sorry, I just needed to clarify seeing as the rest of your people don't know the difference between GB and England.

Seriously??

Maybe Barry McKenzie ought to post an easy to understand guide to the UK so my fellow countrymen know whats what over here if they visit.

Wales. Beautiful place (apart from the south with unfriendly people) who hate the English. The Cawl is to die for.

Scotland. Beautiful place with friendly people who like Aussies but hate the English. Great porridge.

Northern Ireland. Beautiful place (not including Belfast or parts of Derry) with friendly people (as long as they don't think you are English) half of which hate the English. A visit to 'Nor ire-and' as the locals say would not be complete without a visit to the Bushmills whiskey distillery.

England. A cold, damp uninspiring place full of people with poor teeth, chips on their shoulders and poor personal hygiene who arent very good at Rugby league. The food is truly revolting.

I ain't going to argue.

Every single poster on every single internet forum south of the Isle of White were saying that England were so far behind Australia and New Zealand that it was embarrassing

England beating New Zealand and getting to the final of the 4 Nations represents a significant improvement on the previous years

Improvement in performance and results equals a positive

OK, your turn to explain to me how that is not a positive (and not the above please, could I trouble you for a ‘real’ reason why improvement in performance and results is not a positive)

With respect if you see 2 wins (a poor win over a French side coached by someone like Bobby Golding and a lucky result against a Kiwi side that didnt turn up) plus 2 good old fashioned floggings by Australia as a 'positive' I can't imagine what you consider to be a negative

History wont remember your 2 wins.

History will remember the fact you got rooted in the final.


I genuinely feel for the England team in this years 4 nations. I cant see them winning ANY games.

I'm afraid that you haven't explained why an improvement in performance and results cannot be seen as a positive

And if you are going to start going down the route of every English win is based on the opposition 'not turning up' we may as stop this conversation now

I'll try and put it as plainly as I can.

My girlfriend is a terrible cook. Last night she 'cooked' a lasagne. She didnt cook the pasta properly and burnt the cheese on top.

Tonight she knocked up a shepherds pie. It was a bit tastier than the lasagne but still needed half a bottle of tomato sauce to make it half palatable.

So whilst it would be fair to say tonights meal could be described as an 'improvement' its also fair to say that she is no Jamie Oliver in the kitchen (although she can sometimes be just as annoying)

I can't see a 'positive' here either.

OK, let me try and put my point forward as equally plain as I can

18 months ago, England were considered the third best team out of the big three, Australia, New Zealand and England

Then we beat New Zealand and got to the final of the 4 Nations

Your cooking story was kind of funny though

So what you are saying is that 18 months ago England were the third best nation out of the 3 that play Rugby league to a half decent standard.

And now, 18 months later they are..........still third best out of 3??


England will occassionally beat NZ. Once in a blue moon they will beat Australia.

But 99% of the time they wont. Unless they get lucky.

Thats why England are still ranked third.

I honestly don't know how to start replying to this

Take that how you will

Good night Barry, sleep well