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| Quote ="hindle xiii"If Green is really intent on taking this as high as he can, can anyone else see this being all neatly wrapped up by season end in September?'"
There'd be no chance. It would me more likely any High Court hearing would be next year. Maybe they could apply for a temporary injunction to stop the points being deducted pending the Court's ruling.
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| A visit to the High Court is an expensive route to take, and a drawn out one. But if we end the season more than 6 points away from safety apart from a possible arena for airing dirty washing and enriching our legal friends not clear how even winning the case would actually help us?
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| Before making any judgement I would think Marc Green will want the "full" written explanation promised by the Appeals tribunal. I'd hope that will be a public document. He seems a determined character but not one to risk a large amount of money on legal fees-- the 5k he says he's spent so far would be insignificant compared to a High Court case.
The panel took 2 days to decide the Bulls had not "passed the qualifying threshold" which I take to mean that much of the evidence was not heard or tested and the terms of reference were pretty restrictive.
I don't think it's just Bulls fans who would like to know what really happened and what all the parties ( individually and collectively) actually did and said at the time.
Some posters are convinced their particular version is the absolute truth. Anyone who does not accept that Bulls mismanagement up to December 2013 was the primary cause is IMO , deluding themselves. However , I don't know who to believe and where the blame lies in relation to the events leading up to the deduction.
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| Quote ="tigertot"If I was the RFL I would plead national security.'"
Perhaps you would like to explain why please if possible.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Perhaps you would like to explain why please if possible.'"
It's the usual way of avoiding the truth coming out.
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| We can't handle the truth.
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| How true.
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| Chance to try it would be nice..
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| Indeed. Although our peripatetic trolls insist we don't need to know, it's water under (presumably their) bridge, and we just need to "move on"
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| When you have dug yourself into a hole like the Bulls in the last few years - "moving on" is exactly what you need to do, and hopefully the team will start by putting in a good shift tonight and giving the fans something to cheer about.
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| Well, each to his own. But I can multitask.
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| After last night's performance I hope Marc Green decides not to pursue the case. 6 points will make no difference and I would prefer him to use any money to improve the business. We need to spend the maximum allowed on the playing side and invest in the future by retaining Tong and a youth development structure.
If he is still aggrieved he has an alternative.Rather than risking the expense of court action he could just publish his case and supporting evidence and let all fans see his version of events. Obviously Red Hall ( and any other interested parties) would have the opportunity to comment/ dispute his account.
The crowd last night was in my opinion pretty remarkable when you consider the recent lamentable performances, being on Sky and a small away following. A higher crowd than London Wakefield Salford and Widnes achieved in their last home fixture . Only 500 less than the Giants had against Wigan
I think an average crowd of 4 to 4.5 K is achievable in SL2 which should give the Bulls a higher financial base than our new rivals next season. Whether it will be better managed is the key. All the Championship teams seem to be managed well and I fully expect them to use the increased Sky money in 2015 wisely.
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| Odsal really doesn't cope well being only 20% full. I suspect we might well only see the main stand in use next season, which I'll hate because I really don't like being seated to watch rugby.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"Odsal really doesn't cope well being only 20% full. I suspect we might well only see the main stand in use next season, which I'll hate because I really don't like being seated to watch rugby.'"
No, but, if we're only getting enough fans to fill the seats, why go to the expense of opening more of the stadium?
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"No, but, if we're only getting enough fans to fill the seats, why go to the expense of opening more of the stadium?'"
I wasn't arguing about the rationale behind only opening the main stand.
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| Quote ="Bullnorthern"After last night's performance I hope Marc Green decides not to pursue the case. 6 points will make no difference and I would prefer him to use any money to improve the business. We need to spend the maximum allowed on the playing side and invest in the future by retaining Tong and a youth development structure.
If he is still aggrieved he has an alternative.Rather than risking the expense of court action he could just publish his case and supporting evidence and let all fans see his version of events. Obviously Red Hall ( and any other interested parties) would have the opportunity to comment/ dispute his account.
The crowd last night was in my opinion pretty remarkable when you consider the recent lamentable performances, being on Sky and a small away following. A higher crowd than London Wakefield Salford and Widnes achieved in their last home fixture . Only 500 less than the Giants had against Wigan
I think an average crowd of 4 to 4.5 K is achievable in SL2 which should give the Bulls a higher financial base than our new rivals next season. Whether it will be better managed is the key. All the Championship teams seem to be managed well and I fully expect them to use the increased Sky money in 2015 wisely.'"
At long last a practical and sensible posting, this after several weeks of utter nonsense.
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| Quote ="Backwoodsman"At long last a practical and sensible posting, this after several weeks of utter nonsense.'"
Don't be so hard on yourself. I don't actualy remember any of your posts if I'm honest, but they can't have all been that bad?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Don't be so hard on yourself. I don't actualy remember any of your posts if I'm honest, but they can't have all been that bad?'"
Phew--- after the compliment from Backwoodsman ( thank you friend) I then see FA as the next poster. Fully expecting a dressing down, I'm so relieved at my escape I shall open that special bottle of premium ale.
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| I think FA is right about the Bulls being an attractive proposition for a decent championship player. With decent crowds, you should be the premier financial draw in that division. The main problem you will have is that attracting a good championship player who is currently part-time will be persuading him to give up his day-job. I think it was Danny Brough who said that he was better off as a part-time player with a full-time job than as a full-time professional player, until he really hit his straps.
I suspect your main chance is to attract decent young players from other super league clubs who can't get a first team slot but aspire to full-time rugby.
As for the High Court, as has been said, could be an expensive mistake, and even if you were successful, although you'll get your costs back, it would be a pointless victory if the six points still left you in the relegation slot.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"I think FA is right about the Bulls being an attractive proposition for a decent championship player. With decent crowds, you should be the premier financial draw in that division. The main problem you will have is that attracting a good championship player who is currently part-time will be persuading him to give up his day-job. I think it was Danny Brough who said that he was better off as a part-time player with a full-time job than as a full-time professional player, until he really hit his straps.
I suspect your main chance is to attract decent young players from other super league clubs who can't get a first team slot but aspire to full-time rugby.
As for the High Court, as has been said, could be an expensive mistake, and even if you were successful, although you'll get your costs back, it would be a pointless victory if the six points still left you in the relegation slot.'"
Rubbish. There are two less super league clubs next year so there are loads of players around next year.
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Rubbish. There are two less super league clubs next year so there are loads of players around next year.'"
Not necessarily, the two clubs going down are likely to be fulltime next year and Featherstone and Leigh are also moving to full time from next season and paying the full cap. I read an article somewhere that Halifax are also planning a 'core' of full time players. So competition for players is likely to be greater than ever before even for superleague clubs where guys that might have otherwise have been moderately paid squad players may be able to pick up better deals in the divison below.
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| Quote ="Mirfieldbull"Given that more clubs are going full time, Green needs to move quick and appoint a coach. I thought he said he had 2 plans, one for Super League, the other for relegation. He should move on the relegation plan and allow the coach to start building a squad for next year, otherwise we could find a paucity of players, and miss the opportunity to get back to SL1 at he 1st chance'"
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| Quote ="Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza"Rubbish. There are two less super league clubs next year so there are loads of players around next year.'"
Given that you are likely to be win of them, the only other super league team with players wanting to leave will be London, and why would they go to another Championship club?
There will be a few players looking for other clubs. Unfortunately, they currently play for you.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Given that you are likely to be win of them, the only other super league team with players wanting to leave will be London, and why would they go to another Championship club?
There will be a few players looking for other clubs. Unfortunately, they currently play for you.'"
Oh, you're so right. However will we able to maintain standards if this lot leave? We must keep all of them at all costs.
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| Quote ="Bullnorthern"Phew--- after the compliment from Backwoodsman ( thank you friend) I then see FA as the next poster. Fully expecting a dressing down, I'm so relieved at my escape I shall open that special bottle of premium ale.'"
I'm rather partial to that myself. All spares gratefully taken care of.
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