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| Good post Davey - guess if you add Ferguson, Manu maybe half the payroll goes to the top 6 players, and that is probably equality after the Harris years!
So we should be able to be competitive spending £950k if we can retain the bulk of the named individuals in your post - certainly think some of those are value for money and a few would even pass FA's effort test.
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| There will also be 50 less SL1 squad places available. I can see us releasing all our overseas players, and players retiring as mentioned, but i can't see many teams fighting for players that have played carp all season, or players who have been on the injury list for the most part of this season (fergerson) or previous seasons (donno). With the fewer squad places available, i could see us retaining the vast majority.... st least i hope we retain the vast majority of people!
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| With regards to the team, I'd imagine that we'd see a sharp down turn in u21 players coming through the ranks as I'd think the majority of the cap would be geared towards the first team (way to go there RFL, another brilliant idea to increase the player pool)
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| Also the option is if we do stay full time is signing players from the championship, they may be tempted by a full time club.
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| Quote ="LeagueDweeb"Google isn't a newspaper, shock. BBC Grandstand footage isn't a newspaper, shock. Bulls website isn't a newspaper, shock. FA trolling and being a silly boy, shock not.'"
Great Scott! Grandstand hasnt been on since January 2007, did he give this interview in a DeLorean?
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| Wind-up merchants aside, the fact remains taht from the perspective of most Championship players a relegated Bulls club is still a big club, and something to aspire to.
It's the same for coaches, Dewsbury said they don't want to lose Morrison but wouldn't stand in his way if a SL club came calling - and that was said knowing it's us, and that we aren't for most purposes a SL club any more.
We still have to find the money, but there are plenty of decent players at Championship level and most would be highly interested in playing for us, however much trolls may come up with the no-longer-a-big-club bollox. I also suspect a few of our own would be as likely to renegotiate a reduced deal to stay as search for pastures new. As davey pointed out the pay, and pay differences, may not be that great anyway.
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"Great Scott! Grandstand hasnt been on since January 2007, did he give this interview in a DeLorean?'"
Shhhhh! I'd just got him settled, you'll have him bawling again!
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"
......We still have to find the money.....'"
... No change there then ....
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I also suspect a few of our own would be as likely to renegotiate a reduced deal to stay '"
Why, if their contracts subsist notwithstanding relegation? (Still nobody appears to know whether or not contracts are null and void on relegation).
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| Quote ="Wooden Stand"Why, if their contracts subsist notwithstanding relegation?.'"
Because there are many reasons a person might agree to renegotiate a contract. Depends on various factors, the pay for 2015 is just one.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Wait, let me check the current wage bill and the Whatever Salary Cap.
Hmm.
It seems that our current wage bill as at June 2014 in SL will not form part of our 2015 season salary cap expenditure. I don't know why, and I'm probably as shocked as you will be at this revelation. But it seems to be true. Apparently, they will only count next year whatever we spend next year.
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| Do you lot agree with Mr Green's decision to take it to court or do you feel the club should accept it?
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| Quote ="HalifaxCougar"Do you lot agree with Mr Green's decision to take it to court or do you feel the club should accept it?'"
We shouldn't be taking it to the high court IMO, we should be concentrating on building a squad and appointing a coach to compete at the top end of the championship to give us the best chance of getting back up.
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| I think it's good to have someone prepared to fight in charge for once. Usually we just lie back and let anyone do what they like to us.
We were stitched up by the powers that be, they should not be allowed to get away with it.
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| Get it to the high court and get everything out in the open, then the RFL will take the abuse and fans will understand what the time lines and advice really were. IMO.
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| I don't know, but I'd guess it's a bluff. The costs would be enormous. As soon as the RFL demonstrated they would mount a robust defence, my guess is that the case would be dropped. Even going that far would eliminate any remaining goodwill the Bulls still have. The sooner Bulls accept it and start to get their house in order for the near future, the better it will be for them.
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| Quote ="HalifaxCougar"Do you lot agree with Mr Green's decision to take it to court or do you feel the club should accept it?'"
I'm thinking of going to the moon again. Have you been to the moon, no but I've thought of it before.
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| IF and its a big IF...
Marc Green is successful in his case, some dirt is aired on RFL and we are given sufficient points that may keep in SL... would you still say he should have accepted it or would it have been the right call?
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| Quote ="debaser"I think it's good to have someone prepared to fight in charge for once. Usually we just lie back and let anyone do what they like to us.'"
*cough* Chris Caisley... Iestyn Harris *cough*
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| Sometimes a court hearing is the only way to get at the truth. See Kopczak/Hudds.
Although whether anything could come of it...
Even if it worked, and we got enough points back to stay in SL, I don't think Wakey would go down without a legal fight either. So effectively we would force a 13team SL next year, with headaches for everyone in SL.
If there was enough evidence provided that unequivocally proved the RFL were at fault, we may deflect enough of the blame from ourselves. But I think we would be pariahs for years afterwards.
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| Quote ="roofaldo2"With regards to the team, I'd imagine that we'd see a sharp down turn in u21 players coming through the ranks as I'd think the majority of the cap would be geared towards the first team (way to go there RFL, another brilliant idea to increase the player pool)'"
As I understand it, and assuming it continues in the same vein, the cap only applies to the first team, and of those, only your 25 top earners actually count towards it.
What you pay the non-first team squad players or any other staff, is up to you, presumably so long as it isn't more than you're paying the first team... So, assuming we have enough income, there's no reason we can't offer a half decent package to the ex academy lads as they graduate. What we won't be able to offer, unfortunately, is the chance of top level rugby.
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| Quote ="HalifaxCougar"Do you lot agree with Mr Green's decision to take it to court or do you feel the club should accept it?'"
Depends on what 'evidence' they have. If Mr Green can get, say Ryan Whitcut, to stand up in court and state that the RFL suggested that Moore and co. go into admin to, "get rid of Omar", as he's already said in public and has been reported as saying in the press, then yes, they should go to court. I can't think of a single reason why not.
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| If Green is really intent on taking this as high as he can, can anyone else see this being all neatly wrapped up by season end in September?
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| Quote ="martinwildbull"Who needs to stalk you when your supercilious comments are everywhere?'"
Nobody, which is why it's a a bit weird, but hey - knock yourself out!
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| Quote ="Highlander"Sometimes a court hearing is the only way to get at the truth. '"
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