25th October 2012 article on Giants website: www.giantsrl.com/news/article/18 ... op-forward Quote Giants Managing Director Richard Thewlis commented: "I am delighted to confirm that the Giants have reached agreement with the Bulls in respect of transference of the playing registration of Craig Kopczak which the RFL say will be accepted when they receive the usual paperwork. ... ...It is fair to say that the RFL have looked into Craig’s situation in some detail and it is pleasing that they do not propose to take any actions against any parties "'"

25th October 2012 article on Giants website: www.giantsrl.com/news/article/18 ... op-forward Quote Giants Managing Director Richard Thewlis commented: "I am delighted to confirm that the Giants have reached agreement with the Bulls in respect of transference of the playing registration of Craig Kopczak which the RFL say will be accepted when they receive the usual paperwork. ... ...It is fair to say that the RFL have looked into Craig’s situation in some detail and it is pleasing that they do not propose to take any actions against any parties "'"

Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"25th October 2012 article on Giants website: www.giantsrl.com/news/article/18 ... op-forward '" But that decision was based on facts as presented to RFL, which thesis and kopczak have admitted under oath were incorrect. Can't see how RFL can avoid dealing with what's now come to light.

Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"25th October 2012 article on Giants website: www.giantsrl.com/news/article/18 ... op-forward '" But that decision was based on facts as presented to RFL, which thesis and kopczak have admitted under oath were incorrect. Can't see how RFL can avoid dealing with what's now come to light.

Unfortunately I cannot make the game tomorrow night,I have to go over to Leeds

Unfortunately I cannot make the game tomorrow night,I have to go over to Leeds

Don't know why I posted that twice,I'm only going to Leeds once

Have you been cohersed into this?

Can i have your spare ticket, I have a forriner visiting who I'm taking along to be baffled

Most people do.

I can't go tomorrow, thanks to the change of time, so I have spare season tickets if you want/can get before tomorrow.

FA sorry for late response,I'm not a season ticket holder this season for first time in a while,I'm a pay on the gate man this season

I have to go to Leeds for a good reason this week but I'm not going to watch their game

From the T and A

'*The RFL are to examine evidence given at Leeds Crown Court during Keith Mason’s successful legal fight with Huddersfield this week.

It was revealed that Craig Kopczak verbally agreed to join the Giants on August 8 – a month before controversially walking out on Bulls.'

Absolutely nothing on Skysports or anywhere else.

I so want this to blow up, but I have a feeling that it will all be brushed under the carpet, never to be talked about ever again

This is my fear/expectation.

It could depend on whether the RFL were genuinely misled, or whether it was all just a charade. The "suggestion" that the Giants pay the Bulls £20k didn't exactly seem to be grounded in due process. If people at the RFL really knew what was going on between the player and the clubs (they were obviously keeping close tabs on the Bulls situation) they might not be too keen to re-open the issue.

www.superleague.co.uk/article/28 ... pczak-deal

www.superleague.co.uk/article/28 ... pczak-deal

Based on the above 2 sentences, I would expect the RFL to re-open the case!

Oh sounds good. So what is the likely outcome? A few million in compensation would do for starters please...

"Decided there was no case to answer" - either i missed that, or it's the first time it's come out.

"Huddersfield had denied any wrongdoing". Note the word "denied". If true, that is an active thing they actually did (as opposed to a passive thing, like keeping schtumm).

Still not clear why if there was no case to answer, a £20K deal was brokered - why would you agree to pay 20K if you have been vindicated?

The whole thing is about as odd as the RFL/lease of Odsal thing. Loads of questions, but a dearth of public answers.

I'm pretty sure FA, that the £20K was for breaching the "gentlemen's agreement" made to prevent any 'poaching' of the players after the admin was announced, and absolutely nothing at all to do with the entirely separate issue concerning rules about approaching contracted players.

Or as a gesture of goodwill by the RFL, Keith Mason with nothing counting toward the salary cap

Further evidence emerged today in the form of CCTV footage of Thewlis and Davy picking up the player outside Tong on the morning of 4th August. A still is shown below...

Priceless

Well, I suspected that, but when I thought about it, I couldn't recall it ever having been explained what it was for. So I did some digging (not that much, tbf) but haven't been able to find anything which states what it was for.

AFAIR, it was just a deal for effectively our agreement to transfer the registration, which we presumably agreed to. One could be forgiven for presuming that we only agreed to it perhaps after having been tipped the wink that no breaches were going to be found proved, but of course that would be pure speculation.

Anyway, a seeming penalty for a breach of RFL agreements or protocols etc would sort of be by way of a "fine", and surely any such are paid to RFL, not to a club?

Can anyone find a link to any report that confirms what the £20K was actually for, specifically?

I of course entirely agree that the "illegal approach" thing is an entirely separate issue. As are donkeys, though I wouldn't fancy being one at Scarborough this week

I think this is the only reference found to the 20k

[urlhttp://www.examiner.co.uk/news/west-yorkshire-news/keith-mason-lawyer-reveals-huddersfield-5116317[/url

Maybe Ken is saying to Thewlis "This is another fine mess youv`e got me into"
Seriously I`m sure I read somewhere that Masons £167 thou would count against their salary cap for 3 years. If by Thewlis`s statement that they were sailing close to the salary cap anyway this year how does adding £55 thou onto it affect them? They could be in breach of salary cap rules as well as lying to the governing body!!! We shall see what teeth the RL have, but I won`t hold my breath, if it had have been us they would be points deduction and further loss of Sky money no doubt.

You possibly read it on here (RLFANS), apparently it doesn't according to the [url=http://www.therfl.co.uk/news/article/28405/rfl-may-re-open-kopczak-dealRFL.[/url

It was Mason's lawyer I believe that claimed the Giants would be close to the cap if they kept Mason, which is why he was claiming they got shut. Since that point though they have lost Eden (who was on an improved contract that I daren't guess the value of considering Mason was on £95k) and Luke O'Donnell who was probably one of, if not the, highest earner at the Giants.

It will be very interesting to see exactly what aspects the RFL are going to investigate, considering compensation has already changed hands? I think the question remains what exactly that £20k was for.