In the real world the original charge would be filed, the compensation agreed would be set aside as based on false information and a further charge brought of bringing the game into disrepute.

As this is the RFL, they'll be unavailable for comment.

You beat me to it about RFL not been available,laughable

I'm not sure I agree with a points deduction for what is a business decision, but there must be some sanction for both Kopczak and the club for lying to the RFL.
From the Bull's POV, if the 20K compensation figure was based on the RFL accepting that Huddersfield hadn't made an illegal approach but was paid to as a kind of good will payment to smooth things over, then that should be looked at again in light of the court admissions.
If the 20K was paid in admission that the approach was illegal, and we accepted it, then I'm not sure where we have cause to complain.

It's not their fault that the clubs management made poor decisions and then lied to cover it up, but I'm sure they'll all be on here soon retracting their assertions that nothing wrong had happened...
no wait they'll be here soon...
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in their hordes...
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No Matt it's not just you,I can recall it very well as well

An investigation was carried out and no charges were filed. There was no admission and Omar is stating this is because during the investigation Thewliss and Koppy denied to the RFL they approached Koppy before the deadline and have now stated on oath that in fact not only did they approach him, but they agreed a deal on August 8th.

What happened to the CE at Hull who lied in the doping scandal?

He got a job as CE at Widnes after a short break spending time with his family.

[size=85=#FF0000Does anyone know if the £16kK awarded to Mason counts against the Shuddersfields cap?

That would be [iunfortunate[/i, if it did . . . .[/size

EDIT : DOH! Sorry - just read staffbull1973 similar post . . . . anyone know the answer?

Huddersfield board are claiming that the amount does count, but is split over the period remaining on the contract. Either way, it could have been a couple of new players for them... Shame

I would expect the RFL to be a little "concerned" that both Huddersfield and Kopout lied to them previously, doesn't show them in a particularly good light.

Ta daveyz999 . . . . my heart bleeds for the Shudders



re the latter bit, it'll be interesting to see how that is handled - apart from as quietly as possible and with a minimal impact on those concerned . . . . I sadly suspect . . . .

From todays Hudds Examiner

"Ken Davy last night insisted the club had fought the Keith Mason case “[ito uphold standards[/i”/"It is a sad reflection on today’s society that this was the outcome""

Oh, the irony

The one thing that stand out for me in all this is...

£95,000 a year for Mason!



So imagine what they must be paying their good players. And all under the cap. It's baffling.

Seemed to remember Sheffield had to go under to save you!!! Glass houses and bricks come to mind.


Anyway this is not about the fans causing this it`s about poor management as was with us.

Mason should have had £20k deducted from his award for that small tie knot / large collar combination

I don't see any valid reason why the whole amount of payment for services to Kopout shouldn't count against their salary cap.

In the T&A OK is quoted as saying:

The RFL were "unavailable for comment last night". How they must be wishing this had all been swept away under the carpet after the 20K decision, but, simply, they HAVE to address this now. What about today, then? have they got up yet?

Credit where it's due, over on the Giants board they're being pretty even handed about it.

If the RFL don't take some action after this admission they would in effect be saying that it is OK to lie to them. Time for the RFL to show what they are made of, I wonder if they will disappoint us once again?

to paraphrase monty python,

"Richard Thewlis is not Jesus he is a very very very naughty boy !"

Yep. They've been lied to as much as anyone else and we know how that feels.

That said to tap up a player is one thing - I bet it's a lot more common than you think - but to lie to an RFL investigation. If they did that the club and player in question should be hauled over the coals for it.

Current costs as reported...


Kopczak Salary: GBP 60 000
Fielden Salary: GBP 55 000
Hush money to Bulls: GBP 20 000
Loss of Earnings to Mason: GBP 167 000
Court costs: GBP 35 000
Legal Fees (possible according to the papers): GBP 200 000

Total to date (damages to Mason not yet decided upon): GBP 537 000

If I've got that right (?) that must be the most expensive prop pairing in the league.

Dont forget the wages quoted above will be basic salary... They will get something along the lines of £1,500 apperance money, £2k win bonus etc. £200 scoring a try, £5k England selection Etc Etc....

There is alsorts of add ons.

Well playing/selection for England is paid to the players by the RFL so that fact is irrelevant !!

As is anything else to do directly with the sport ant directly with the club

I'm liking this

Do we all believe in karma

Its written into "some" players contract that if they are selected for England. They get a payment from the club.

They get apperance money and match fees from the RFL.

Say for instance John Bateman gets selected for England he will receive a payment from the bulls in recognition of this.

Rodger "you jammie doger" Daley.... Cue Gardens friday evening???? beverages and a look at the fine young ladies?

You owe me a pint and i'll buy the Pork scratchings... .