same could be said for the ah van try where he reached about three yard forward to catch it or his other try where he grounded the ball short !!!!! but thats rugby league eh....it tends to balance out !!!

That's true but apparantly you're Champions and the 4 point scoreline against Superleague's lowest placed club without a points deduction with 12 men suggested otherwise.

The sending off that wasn't tipped the scales firmly in your favour. As you say it evens itself out so I look forward to that match.

It will be a long wait....

im not going to argue about the intent as only raynor knows but ill look at the facts. the wigan player was struck in the head and unconcious before he hit the the floor. the red card was the right call. Not saying he deserves a big ban but the card had to be given. It was a bad one even it was just reckless. Yes you had 12 men but the disruption of losing sam, and losing pat on the wing to full back hindered us more then we gained especially wit the wind which made it difficult to make use of the numeric advantage out wide.

How do we know he was out before he hit the floor? Did I miss that bit?

Don`t agree a yellow card would have been enough. i`ve watched it a couple of time, does not warrant a red card. Talking of cards a couple of your players should have visited the bin. ie. o`louglin - head high tackles and Lima should have walked. S. Tomkins needs to stop being pathetic he looked alright when i saw him laughing and joking near the Tunnel in the 2nd half can`t of have been much of a bad tackle. Talented player but his cheating lets him down, hope he doesn`t do that against the Aussies he will get smashed big time.

A punch to the players head (intentional or otherwise) in the act of scoring a try should have resulted in a red card and an eight point try ... count yourselves lucky!

The disciplinary meeting will view an unprovoked attack to a players head, which knocks him out ... lets see how they interpret that! I only hope RL for once has the guts to address the issue of nobodies making calculated attacks on key players.

This Wigan team is playing well below par and is not in my opinion good enough to progress to Wembley or Old Trafford (on current form) but the facts speak for themselves ... Bradford came second today!

He was clearly "out cold"before he hit the deck in my opinion.

i found out last night that the team and many other teams in sl are coached to punch the ball out of the attackers hand in that one on one scenario to try and stop them scoring.
if this is the case that must be the only reason why raynor had his fist clenched and not open to try and tackle the player but raynor obviuusly miss timed the attempt.

You found out? Did you mean you heard nobby saying it after the game lol!

to say i didnt watch it on the tv, that would have been very hard. i actually found out from a sl player but not until late last night

the way his body went completely limp at the point of contact. the way he went face first into the turf without attempting to break his fall. the way he was motionless staring at the sky without so much as a blink. badly timed or not it was a bad one a straight red. i even got a text staright after it happened from a bradford fan calling for his contract to be torn up. i dont agree with that but the red card was the right call. and to the fans saying tomkins was play acting you really do embarrass yourselves. just because he seemed ok second half in the dug out doesnt detract from the fact he got knocked out by a high shot. any other player and and there wouldnt be this debate. The tomkins hate brigade is obviously in full swing, it makes me laugh to be honest how much a hatred fro a player can cloud a reasonable un biased debate.

Course you did.


That's funny. I got one from a Wigan fan saying the same about Tomkins for always bringing the game into disrepute with his play acting.

Give over mate. Injured or not (and I guess Tomkins is the only one who [ireally[/i knows) Tomkins has 'form' for feigning injury to milk penalties. He accidentally got a high speed slap, when two players running flat out, in different directions, collided, and which was largely largely caused by himself ducking into it. Sadly this gave 'Hollywood' Ganson the opportunity he delights in, to put himself into the spotlight and become the main talking point.

Incidentally, the shot by a Wigan player (O'Loughlin?) on Raynor earlier in the match was far worse because there appeared to be intent. Unlike Raynor, whose arm was not above the shoulders, the Wigan arm was raised and the tackler was running directly towards him and Raynor didn't duck, so that tackle was as good as deliberate as it gets.

Incidentally, I have nothing against Wigan and wish the club well for rest of the season, but I think some of the fans need a reality check.

And yet the Disciplinary said that O'Loughlin faced no further action.

Same as they said several Wigan players engaged in actions which appeared to be putting undue physical pressure on the Bulls player they were "tackling", but again no furtehr action.

Five or six Wigan players were looked at by the Disciplinary this week. NFAR.

Beats me.

And i thought that Warrington fans had the biggest bags of chips on their shoulders. Bad tackle, man was out cold before he hit the floor, whether it was intended or not it was reckless/dangerous. Red card, 1-2 match ban to follow and you can have no arguements. Sam gets loads of high shots, like Abletts last year i'm sure you all remember and cheered at the time, and gets up. I can assure you that Sam was not fakeing that... As opposed to Raynors fake tackle, IMO....

And on that note im assuming you never see your beloved Sam going in to tackle people with his knees, ESPECIALLY when they are crossing the line and he is too late to get accross ???????????????????????????????????????

mathers used to do that a lot.

Hell no!!!!! I'm just as one-eyed with those as you are with this Raynor tackle...

Im NOT disagreeing with the raynor tackle, YES it was reckless/dangerous but was NOT intentional, like most wigan fans are assuming was deliberate, just as im assuming Sams knees are not intentional !!!

Having watchee the tackle again imo a shot to the head was intended. but we should just agree to disagree on that. And believe it or not i am fairly even handed in my judgements... I would even agree that Sam does go in with his knees, which i hate...

The problem with it is watching the game normal speed to me Sam ducks into the arm as Raynors arms are still below the shoulder and Sam is taller than raynor (who isnt apart from burrow)................

BUT watching it in slow mo make it look even worse, reckless and dangerous yes but not sure many (not saying any) players that go out intentionally to do that to another player

Thats what happens in rugby though things happens which causes a debate and people are always going to disagree about certain aspects regarding forwards, knock ons and tries its all part and parcel of the game.....

As you are when it comes to it i like to look at things from different angles to give my opinion, but also when it is your team playing people are obviously going to be a tiny bit bias

I have already said that we should agree to disagree......

I know hence the

lol