these new bunch of rules that we have had to put up with for the past couple of years are complete e!,,the stealing the ball rule..should be put back to its original state .sometimes its pinched and a knock on is given... then vice versa its knocked on and a bleedin penalty is given for ball stealing...then the one foot behind the dead ball line is another load of cobblers....the only good rule is the 40/20..the rest of em are utter cr@p...

I don't think you should be able to take the ball out.

It does not fit with the rest of the rules. If a ball was kicking in general play and bounced in field, then a player carries it into touch the scrum would go against them.
I have no idea why they made it different for a ball going dead.

If it was a catch on the full with no bounce then fair enough that would match up with the rules elsewhere on the pitch.

I'm not exactly sure were we are with ball stealing, but it's always going to be messy as defenses will want to cause attackers to lose the ball and attackers will want to offload and play the ball quickly. So there will always be an element of messiness around whether it was stripped of knocked on.

I don't mind the 40/20 to be honest. It's a skill thst some have masterd and it's exciting as it's a game changer.

A prime example is the Sinfield one against us last year which completely changed the game.

The ball steal is a mess. It's very hard for a ref in the heat of the moment in a split second to make a judgment.

re the dead in goal thing, people moaned about this for years, so they changed it about 3 seasons ago, ball had to go over the line and touch the floor or the ad boards or a camera, something physical for it be deemed dead, people moaned about that and they changed it back after 12 months.

Why can't it just be like the rules for a ball going into touch?

Can't stand the player putting one foot over the in goal line and one foot in with ball in play

Worst rule is the 20 metre tap when the ball has been hoofed miles down field. Sinfield was the king of this. I think if you kick it dead from more than 40 metres out the tap should be 20 metres forward of the point it was kicked from. So if you hoof it dead from half way the tap us on the 30 etc.

Haven't the NRL put some rule in place to stop kicking it dead? Sure I read something on it.

While we all having a moan, my biggest dislike is time wasting on drop outs, kicking for goal, scrums and kicking to touch. The Rlf need to bring something in to stop this. It's slowing the game down way to much.

Luke Walsh thinks it's a time out when we get a penalty, he has team meeting before kicking to touch.

As soon as a ball touches something out of play then it's out of play, if the catching player has a foot in touch he's out of play. That has been the case for the touch lines for years, all that happened is that the dead ball line is now treated with the same rule.

However, the touch flags can be touched as the player holding his arm out over the side of the pitch is not touching the ground and so is not deemed to have taken the ball out. The extension of the line upwards is no longer the role of the flags so a player can touch a flag without grounding any part of his body on the line and not be considered out where previously the flag was an extension of the line vertically - out of line with the vast majority of the rule.

Again I think the NRL have set a time limit on these things. Also Wilko said straight out on TV that they deliberately form scrums slowly to take a breather.

My pet hate is defending teams that kick the ball away after conceding a drop out for a bit of a breather. Danny Brough is by far and away the worst offender but all teams do it to some extent.

Another pet hate is tackled players moving off the mark. Those that milk penalties by taking a step to the side to put the defenders off side (not square) are worse than those who steal the odd step forward.

If the ball runs dead for a 20 tap in the NRL, then the attacking side are given a zero tackle in the next set of six.
They also have 20 second countdown clocks on scrums and drop outs.

The rucks are also a hell of a lot cleaner as a result of the two refs as well.

Think the NRL is good with 30 seconds only for a drop out or a penalty, the same with forming the scrum, though they claim we put scrums down on average in 32 seconds, that I can't believe, but whatever rules we have it is up to the referees to implement them and currently I feel they all do their own thing!

Forming a scrum is a disgrace these days, when they do they don't even "pack down" correctly. I would definitely put time limits on drop outs and penalty kicks to touch.

Say: 20 seconds kicking to touch if they don't they play the ball at the penalty award position. 30 seconds for the goal line drop out if they don't the opposition play a tap ball from the 20 metre line.

The PTB is long overdue for cleaning up. Moving off the mark lose a tackle from the count, interference add a tackle from the count.

40/20 and the corner flag rules are two of the best changes the game has seen that I can recall.

We should adopt these rules asap.

Walsh will not have finished his time walk back to the kicking spot in 20 seconds.

It's rediculous.

I like the seven tackle rule in Australia, it penalises poor kicking. The cleaner play the ball is nothing to do with having two referees, it's the fact that the referee ensures that the ball is played with the foot. That's why you don't get so many scoots from dummy half over there and more creative #6, #7 and #9's.

I hate the 1 minute rule before clock is stopped on conversions. if there are 10 tries in a game, that is 10 minutes of game time just watching the kicker pull his socks up. As soon as the try is scored, the clock should stop.

Also, i hate the free play. It has resulted in some decent tries. but the vast majority of the time people will run side to side, then put a kick in which is mopped up. Just looks amateur

play the ball is my main complaint, total shambles, if you watched 50 play the balls and 10 of them where penalties I bet nobody would get 5 right, I counted once when we played wigan our player was held down for 8 seconds and the ref let it go, the next set we held down for 4 sec and he blew up, it needs sorting

The flop is becoming a big bugbear of mine as well. On Friday (and before anyone pipes up: I'm not saying that only Wigan do it or that it had any bearing on the result) there were a few occasions where a player would drop onto the tackle a good two seconds after it had been completed (Tautai is one that springs to mind). It's so obvious that it can't have been missed, so it seems the referees are basically not counting it as an offence anymore. It should be stamped out as soon as possible, as it's just a way of slowing down your opponenet's play the ball without having earned the right to do so.

I don't like that one either, players across the league have got away with a flop for a couple of years now, only the most ridiculous ones get penalised.

In the NRL whilst the PTB may be cleaner you see a lot of tackles where two make the tackle and hold the attacking player up. A third comes in to 'complete' the tackle but in reality what they're doing is ensuring the tackled player hits the deck. It can actually cause problems if a third defender doesn't come in quick enough - at least once a game you see a forward continuing to make big yards after contact because the first two tacklers are in completely the wrong position to actually bring them down.

The 7 tackle restart hasn't prevented very long kicks dead - more the ones from close to halfway. We seem to be seeing more passing on the last tackle rather than kicks ATM because even if you lose the ball close the opposition line its a 6 tackle restart close to the line rather than a 7 tackle restart 20 yards out.

One rule I'd like to see trialled is for nobody in the scrum to be allowed to be involved at all in the first tackle - in fact I'd force them to stay within a few metres of the scrum. The scrum is solely a restart nowadays, and keeping forwards away from the first play might encourage a bit more adventure.

I tend to think that a lot of the problems with the entertainment quality in RL at present are down to giving coaches too much input into rule changes. They will always go for changes which increase their ability to control a game - if that's at the expense of entertainment they don't care. We need to start thinking about radical rule changes which take into account the ridiculous fitness levels of today's players.

yup, i've said this one for years, if its packed down correctly then it gives the backs an opportunity to go against each other, i hate seeing a prop at first receiver from a scrum.

Wigan's Crosby was not packing down correctly, he was doing it a few times in the derby match, Thaler told him to put his head into the scrum on a couple of occasions he broke away too early and managed to join the tackle third man in. Yes, I would also stop some of the backs coming into the scrum to put forwards into the defensive line.