not knowing the ins & outs of team selection as i live on the dark side.

What is wrong with Greenwood as he seems to be wearing a high numbered shirt these days.He is fit as he would not be picked even wearing that number shirt 20 0r was it 21 for the Cas game or is he a bit out of favour with all the latest imports from Salford.I rated him highly so what is the reason for the high numbered shirt.

I said all last year he wasn't good enough. When we all picked our team for 2016 I didn't put him in it either.

He misses to many tackles. He gives silly pens away and he was getting smashed on regular basis. Spent more time being dumped on his bottom than anything as he runs to upright.

Maybe he will improve with age but imo I'll stick by my prediction early last year, he will be playing at leigh within 3 years.

There's more to it than he simply isn't good enough. Let's just say he isn't exactly seeing eye to eye with Cunningham over one or two things at the moment.

More than a few fit that category though

Yeah true mate. Our style of play is causing a few murmurs of discontent amongst the players. Not everyone is paying for that opinion with their place in the side though.

Joe Greenwood not good enough at this moment regardless if he fell out with KC or not.

I'd have him in there over LMS personally.

I don't think Greenwood is tough enough. He's getting smashed regular last year but he's defo got bigger pre season

I know what you mean mate. His up right running style opens him up to getting knocked about but at least he runs with purpose and he's also a clever runner in terms of picking his line and hitting a gap. He's also about 10 years younger than LMS and is still a work in progress in many ways whereas LMS should really know better by now.

We don't give quality ball to the likes of Greenwood, Sav and Thompson, its normally a flat attack with these 3 receiving the ball semi static and flat footed or at best a drop off pass which the defence know 9 tens out of 10. It appears KC is de coaching them into a safety first, no risk role, Greenwood and Sav use to have a decent offload but thats disappearing from there game now and that includes Walmsley as well.

I'll never understand picking Richards over Greenwood in any team. Considering last season was Greenwood's first season of playing every week he was fine. He started off very well and faded after his injury but he's a dangerous player on his day and runs good lines. I'd have

Amor Roby Walmsley
Vea Greenwood
Wilkin

Tasi/Thompson
Savelio
LMS
Burns/Charnock.

Let Wilkin play as a ball playing 13 for 80 and rotate the three second rowers for me.

His not good enough its as simple as that. Runs good lines but his defence isent good enough andhe doesent make enough metres after contact. Often gets dumped on his backside or pushed back.

I think he's far too young to write off yet (22 or 23?) It's quite probable that other coaches have studied his running lines and Saints drop off ball to him close to the line and made plans to defend against it.
Give the lad some time, we (as a game) are far too impatient with young players. If he has been as poor this season as some on here are saying than maybe a loan spell away from the club could do him good. As TYG and MS have intimated, I too have heard that it's not a happy camp at Saints at present.

He was poor last season apart from those runs when he runs good lines but you need more to your game than that.

He gets smashed when he has to take the ball up. He misses far to many one on one tackles by going to high and he also gives pens away for high shots or lying on in the tackle.

He's at a age where he should hold his own more but he's getting smashed and if I was coach I wouldn't pick him for his own safety. He's a big which makes it hard to believe he gets put on his bum so easy.

In don't think it helped when KC was bigging him up as a superstar when it was clear he wasn't. Some giddy posters on here was saying he should play for England lol

Have to admit, I was one of those giddy posters. I thought he was mostly very good in past couple of seasons but he's hit a wall at the minute. If he can adjust a few aspects of his game mentally as well as physically then I'm confident he can go on to have a good career for us.

I really hope we don't offer LMS a new deal. Waste of a shirt for me.

He will be playing this week going off Cunningham's latest on the Star website.

SO that will satisfy the Greenwood in brigade.

What about the burns in brigade and the Turner out brigade and the Sell everyone brigade???

Have you been the games this year?

Seems like your the only one who enjoys the way we playing. It's so boring it's unreal. I find myself not even watching the game now I'm so bored.

(Not having a dig by way )

Some fans have a longer patience than others, some fans are more willing to let sh*t go where as some fans are just blind or far to blinkered in red & white spectacles to see anything else.

At this moment we are playing some of the dullest rugby I've seen in years. The type of stuff I watch other teams play on Sky & turn over after 10 minutes.

Sadly being at the ground & already committing my money I'm kind of stuck with this dross.

Here's to hoping we open up abit when the grounds toughen up & we at least try to entertain. Sadly, I don't see that coming with the structure we play & the personnel we use in certain positions week in week out

I do worry if we will try to play better rugby from reading KC quotes in local paper.

He's obsessed with the "arm wrestle".

He said " you don't win rugby games throwing the ball about"

He said "luke Walsh is better player now than 2 years ago as he's not throwing passes out"

To me that's a big big worry

I reckon he's trying to emulate Hanley's style of rugby mate. I didn't enjoy the rugby that season despite winning the grand final. By the sounds of Longy's autobiography, he was a brilliant man manager and maybe out of all the managers we've had, he left the biggest impression on KC. I'm purely speculating and could quite possibly be talking a load of nonsense....again.

Youve changed your tune, you used to think he had potential

Regards

King James

Never ever said he would play for his country and never ever predicted he'd be a star.

I said he had more about him than other lads we had Brought thru but he got worse and worse as he played more.

He did ok tonight but nothing more and against what looked like a unfit pub team in Wakey. I don't think I've seen a team so unfit as Wakey.

He just needs time. Totally unrealistic to expect a kid to live up to early game promise. We've seen so many humps in performance from 2nd/3rd season kids that people ought to know better.