Have you started the mid season slump (the Nathan Brown) tinkering effect.

To be fair he's only tinkered when been required to with injury and obviously rested players Easter Monday but certainly not been tinkering.

We,ve had an 8 day slump with lots of injuries and players coming back not match fit if that's what you mean.

I thought it was always an end of season slump with the giants so if anything Brown has learnt to have a mid season one instead.

Lomax, makinson, Pansy, swift, Percival, Walsh, walmsley, Roby, Amor, Mose, manu, sia etc all play in their proper position when been fit.

He's certainly not messed with the team unless forced too.

Fishing expedition

Exactly, and theres no bites here.
Leeds are a quality side and if we played our best we'd still not be guaranteed a win. The same goes for Wigan

Exactly!

We'd have to be at our very 100% playing ability to beat those two and they would have be playing at 40%. Obviously we'd need Ganson and Bentham on our side also.

3 hard games in a trot effect in my opinion. but its a worry for saints fans considering the play offs won't be a walk in a park.

Why the denial and defence of Brown - Yes is the answer.
Instead of pick players consistently in their best positions and letting them develop combinations he has an over inflated view of his own role which results in him coming up with absurd selections, statements of intent which evaporate within a couple of weeks and misplaced faith in youth over experience.

1 Absurd Selections - Stuart Howarth in second row, Joe Greenwood in Centre, Lance Hohaiha stand off full back dropped , LMS in second row, Josh Jones at loose forward , WILKO stand off , not picking Clough & Lafranchi .

2 Statements - Lee Gaskell, Gary Wheeler, Jordan Turner are our stand off for the forseeable future and are the best stand off in the club - until two weeks later then someone else is playing stand off. What's that about. Does he know his own mind.

3. Walker, Richards, Greenwood, Thompson, Savelio, - should not be getting selected ahead of Lafranchi , Clough, Flanagan. Experience is a massive factor at SL level. We should select two or three of the young lads to supplement the squad and stick with them - my choice would be Greenwood Thompson and Savelio - the rest need to learn the game either on loan or on dual reg. Richards was out of his depth yesterday as was Walker against Giants in last round. In addition to Savelio best forward at Widnes was Thompson by a mile , how he didn't feature yesterday I don't know.

We are all over the place at the moment - the same happened at Giants to the point where there was a player rebellion - if you read Browns Wiki page about his time at St George it screams out inconsistency. We need to wake up to this as a club we've got the squad but the coach is a liability.

Okay, what?

You know Stuart Howarth is no longer at the club? I can't remember greenwood playing centre this season - many would argue playing lance at 6 IS playing lance out of position. Many are calling for him to be played as an impact hooker (which from my travels onto New Zealand warriors forums, suggests that's the best way to use him) - the fact is, for the first couple of games this season, we played the same team. Then injuries hit. Now, you could raise issues with our conditioning and physio team, we seem more injured than most teams - but is that directly brown?

Jose mourinho told the world he was gonna play a weakened team today vs Liverpool. It didn't seem shabby to me. Does that make him a bad manager?

Yes, why bring through a host of young talented players when you can bring through a few. You are aware laffranchi is injured? If he wasn't, laffranchi would of been selected ahead of Richards. Whilst experience is one thing, talent is another. If you think clough would of altered the score, or game in any way yesterday, I'd suggest you'd be sorely disappointed.

Nathan brown needs to take the blame for Easter, as it was approached completely wrong. But for things he can actually be accused of.

I don't like Brown. Compare to Wigan and Leeds and we looked a shambles in terms of a gameplan. What exactly is our 'style'? Wigan are the Italians in football. Very (Borderline overly) physical, committed and organised. Very little is done off the cuff, it's all about planning and execution, efficiency and commitment. Leeds are the Germans, the core basics are done to a sensational consistency and standard, allowing their strike players to flourish. The kicking game is superb, the players all motivated and focused.

Saints on the other hand are England. Think we're better than we actually are and aren't in either camp tactically, we're not physical, aggressive or committed. We're also not efficient and we don't do the basics well. Everything looks a shock to the players, when we get in the opposition 20 it's like we've never been there before and we panic.

agreed