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"To kick a goal from half way... well that is a big kick," Brown said. "Our number one kicker Jonny Lomax isn't kicking because of a hamstring injury so we took the chance to put it into touch. When it's there you have a good chance of scoring or setting up for a field goal. Miss the kick and you might not even get the ball back. We took the safest option with what we are working with at the moment.
"It has been a tough season and we effectively began to rebuild the squad during the season. We have made some big changes. For a long time at this club Francis Meli was on the wing with Ade Gardner and Paul Wellens at full back. We now have two young wingers and Jonny Lomax back there. That has added speed.
Jon Wilkin has played half which will change next year. The culture of the club is terrific and its effort and commitment is sensational.
"The youth system has provided the path to make the rebuild quite quick too. We haven't achieved what we would have liked, but we have achieved in moving forward."
www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/3378
Some telling comments there from Brown. So he obviously though we where going to be ok with the team until halfway through the season. So makes a bit more sense with the chopping and changing. I would have thought pre-season would show where we where. But obviously he could not tell a lot from our pre-season and so had to change midway through.
I'm a little concerned about Wilkin not playing half next year. That would suggest Lance will. Whilst last week he was good, this week he was back to his suffling best, squeezing out the spaces on the edges and getting caught in several minds with the ball in hand and running into dead ends.
His tackling and effort are not to be doubted and it was a great ball steal. But he does seem to not know what to do with the ball unless he is squeezing out the space for the centre and winger on the edges.
Looks like the back 3 are nailed on, so the question over Meli's centre spot remains an unknown this next year. |
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"To kick a goal from half way... well that is a big kick," Brown said. "Our number one kicker Jonny Lomax isn't kicking because of a hamstring injury so we took the chance to put it into touch. When it's there you have a good chance of scoring or setting up for a field goal. Miss the kick and you might not even get the ball back. We took the safest option with what we are working with at the moment.
"It has been a tough season and we effectively began to rebuild the squad during the season. We have made some big changes. For a long time at this club Francis Meli was on the wing with Ade Gardner and Paul Wellens at full back. We now have two young wingers and Jonny Lomax back there. That has added speed.
Jon Wilkin has played half which will change next year. The culture of the club is terrific and its effort and commitment is sensational.
"The youth system has provided the path to make the rebuild quite quick too. We haven't achieved what we would have liked, but we have achieved in moving forward."
www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/3378
Some telling comments there from Brown. So he obviously though we where going to be ok with the team until halfway through the season. So makes a bit more sense with the chopping and changing. I would have thought pre-season would show where we where. But obviously he could not tell a lot from our pre-season and so had to change midway through.
I'm a little concerned about Wilkin not playing half next year. That would suggest Lance will. Whilst last week he was good, this week he was back to his suffling best, squeezing out the spaces on the edges and getting caught in several minds with the ball in hand and running into dead ends.
His tackling and effort are not to be doubted and it was a great ball steal. But he does seem to not know what to do with the ball unless he is squeezing out the space for the centre and winger on the edges.
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Quote ="bewareshadows""To kick a goal from half way... well that is a big kick," Brown said. "Our number one kicker Jonny Lomax isn't kicking because of a hamstring injury so we took the chance to put it into touch. When it's there you have a good chance of scoring or setting up for a field goal. Miss the kick and you might not even get the ball back. We took the safest option with what we are working with at the moment.
"It has been a tough season and we effectively began to rebuild the squad during the season. We have made some big changes. For a long time at this club Francis Meli was on the wing with Ade Gardner and Paul Wellens at full back. We now have two young wingers and Jonny Lomax back there. That has added speed.
Jon Wilkin has played half which will change next year. The culture of the club is terrific and its effort and commitment is sensational.
"The youth system has provided the path to make the rebuild quite quick too. We haven't achieved what we would have liked, but we have achieved in moving forward."
www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/3378
Some telling comments there from Brown. So he obviously though we where going to be ok with the team until halfway through the season. So makes a bit more sense with the chopping and changing. I would have thought pre-season would show where we where. But obviously he could not tell a lot from our pre-season and so had to change midway through.
I'm a little concerned about Wilkin not playing half next year. That would suggest Lance will. Whilst last week he was good, this week he was back to his suffling best, squeezing out the spaces on the edges and getting caught in several minds with the ball in hand and running into dead ends.
His tackling and effort are not to be doubted and it was a great ball steal. But he does seem to not know what to do with the ball unless he is squeezing out the space for the centre and winger on the edges.
Looks like the back 3 are nailed on, so the question over Meli's centre spot remains an unknown this next year.'"
Like I said all year when people are bagging Brown. He's rebuilding and doing the job potter and Royce tried to and failed. Brown is now dealing with previous coaches mistakes.
Every man and his dog could see we needed halves and props and brine had sorted that for next year. We've now got some genuine pace in the backs with Lomax, Swift, Makinson and Turner.
He's cut some of the dead wood that has needed for a long time. He's the coach with the balls to move wello from fullback. The back 3 of of lomax swift and makinson could be our back 3 for next ten years.
He's brought the age down of the squad for 2014 which was needed big time.
Basically he's doing everything we've been asking to be done for the past 4 years but we've not got a grand final to show for it to paper over the cracks like previous coaches. |
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Quote ="bewareshadows""To kick a goal from half way... well that is a big kick," Brown said. "Our number one kicker Jonny Lomax isn't kicking because of a hamstring injury so we took the chance to put it into touch. When it's there you have a good chance of scoring or setting up for a field goal. Miss the kick and you might not even get the ball back. We took the safest option with what we are working with at the moment.
"It has been a tough season and we effectively began to rebuild the squad during the season. We have made some big changes. For a long time at this club Francis Meli was on the wing with Ade Gardner and Paul Wellens at full back. We now have two young wingers and Jonny Lomax back there. That has added speed.
Jon Wilkin has played half which will change next year. The culture of the club is terrific and its effort and commitment is sensational.
"The youth system has provided the path to make the rebuild quite quick too. We haven't achieved what we would have liked, but we have achieved in moving forward."
www.saintsrlfc.com/news/page/3378
Some telling comments there from Brown. So he obviously though we where going to be ok with the team until halfway through the season. So makes a bit more sense with the chopping and changing. I would have thought pre-season would show where we where. But obviously he could not tell a lot from our pre-season and so had to change midway through.
I'm a little concerned about Wilkin not playing half next year. That would suggest Lance will. Whilst last week he was good, this week he was back to his suffling best, squeezing out the spaces on the edges and getting caught in several minds with the ball in hand and running into dead ends.
His tackling and effort are not to be doubted and it was a great ball steal. But he does seem to not know what to do with the ball unless he is squeezing out the space for the centre and winger on the edges.
Looks like the back 3 are nailed on, so the question over Meli's centre spot remains an unknown this next year.'"
Like I said all year when people are bagging Brown. He's rebuilding and doing the job potter and Royce tried to and failed. Brown is now dealing with previous coaches mistakes.
Every man and his dog could see we needed halves and props and brine had sorted that for next year. We've now got some genuine pace in the backs with Lomax, Swift, Makinson and Turner.
He's cut some of the dead wood that has needed for a long time. He's the coach with the balls to move wello from fullback. The back 3 of of lomax swift and makinson could be our back 3 for next ten years.
He's brought the age down of the squad for 2014 which was needed big time.
Basically he's doing everything we've been asking to be done for the past 4 years but we've not got a grand final to show for it to paper over the cracks like previous coaches. | |
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You know what, I'd be able to live with Lance at 6 as it would free Walsh up to concentrate on moving the team around the park allowing Lance to run.
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It's been an up and down season, but I think Brown has actually done a half decent job in the end. Some of the performances earlier in the year were disgraceful. This was a combination if injuries and some massive underperforming from senior players. But the last 10-12 weeks we've actually looked like a good side, just lacking in a few areas.
Brown has moved players around and I think we're producing a backline that is as exciting as we've had for many years. Next season we've signed three props and a half back so we should see more benefit next season and improve.
Brown still has a lot of work to do and the jury is still out slightly but recently in the big games we haven't been miles away - beating Wigan, losing narrowly to Warrington and in heart breaking fashion last night. There's reason to be optimistic next season. We've gone through pain this year but we'll be better for it next year with an improved squad.
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Recently had chance to talk to an Aussie Panthers supporter. He said said their fans were very upset Luke Walsh was leaving and they thought Jamie Soward was a step down not an improvement - they preferred to keep Walsh.
He was a bit surprised when I echoed forum thoughts here that Walsh was an organiser not a runner with the ball - he said Walsh can run with the ball just fine and not to have any doubts about that. Maybe posters here are underestimating the effect Walsh will have on Superleague teams when running and not just when using his brilliant kicking game?
He also said Mose was class too.
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Nathan Brown has done a great job this year.
His comments were spot on.
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| Quote ="Albion"Nathan Brown has done a great job this year.
His comments were spot on.'"
I agree with this, and when he reshapes the side to make it his own I believe we'll be a real force in 2014. |
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Brown hasn't done a fine job at all, what are you watching? He has done a fairly average job when you consider the league position. Granted he wasn't dealt a great hand with us having such deficiencies in our squad, but there are no signs the attacking structures that would see us competing in trophies next season avec Walsh are in place or even building towards that. Whilst we haven't had a scrum half this season the moves and set plays shouldn't change much, just the quality of the execution. Walsh isn't going to do all that on his own and it's unfair to expect him to.
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Hohaia went to 9 as Roby went off and ran fron straight from dummy half whereas Roby runs wide. Time after time he was tackled by Leeds players who were not square at marker but Bentham seemed determined not to give a pen to Saints. Saints first pen was on 50 mins. Leeds don't need that lift up.
Whether Hohaia ran straight on instinct or instruction from Cunningham I don't know but KC made a career on running into not square markers and gaining a pen.
Just makes me wonder who is running the plays as both coaches are former 9s.
Great move for the first Manu try but that seemed the only move all night.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Brown hasn't done a fine job at all, what are you watching? He has done a fairly average job when you consider the league position. Granted he wasn't dealt a great hand with us having such deficiencies in our squad, but there are no signs the attacking structures that would see us competing in trophies next season avec Walsh are in place or even building towards that. Whilst we haven't had a scrum half this season the moves and set plays shouldn't change much, just the quality of the execution. Walsh isn't going to do all that on his own and it's unfair to expect him to.'"
We haven't had a 7, or a 6, or a decent 9 for a large part of the year. We've also missed our first choice 1 for a decent amount of time.
The entire spine of the team has been in disarray for the entire year and the pack has been filled with youth until the very back end of the season, it's been a bit more than missing a 7. |
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Brown hasn't done a fine job at all, what are you watching? He has done a fairly average job when you consider the league position. Granted he wasn't dealt a great hand with us having such deficiencies in our squad, but there are no signs the attacking structures that would see us competing in trophies next season avec Walsh are in place or even building towards that. Whilst we haven't had a scrum half this season the moves and set plays shouldn't change much, just the quality of the execution. Walsh isn't going to do all that on his own and it's unfair to expect him to.'"
You really are a plonker aren't you. He has dealt with most of what has been wrong with the playing staff with his signings for next year. We have finished the season in a far better position than anyone predicted after 5 games, AND WE HAVE CLADDING!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| Quote ="Top Saint"You really are a plonker aren't you. He has dealt with most of what has been wrong with the playing staff with his signings for next year. We have finished the season in a far better position than anyone predicted after 5 games, AND WE HAVE CLADDING!!!!!!!!!!!'"
Saddened's just upset because NB wouldn't back his campaign for armrests on his chair or his "in-seat bovril dispenser" |
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Brown hasn't done a fine job at all, what are you watching? He has done a fairly average job when you consider the league position. Granted he wasn't dealt a great hand with us having such deficiencies in our squad, but there are no signs the attacking structures that would see us competing in trophies next season avec Walsh are in place or even building towards that. Whilst we haven't had a scrum half this season the moves and set plays shouldn't change much, just the quality of the execution. Walsh isn't going to do all that on his own and it's unfair to expect him to.'"
I would agree with you if we look at the first 6 weeks of the season, but we have been in disarray for 2/3 of the season and not all down to Nathan Brown. The club has had to overcome lots of obstacles , I think you need to judge next season on the last 6 weeks of this season.
We have potentially an exciting back line and a powerful pack for next season. Our pivotal positions of 1, 6, 7 9 and 13 look as though its now been established for next season, Nathan Brown will work on game plans and set plays now he has got something to work with.
Take 6, 7 and 9 out of Huddersfield, Warrington, Wigan, Leeds for 2/3 of the season and we would have been a lot more competitive. |
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Brown hasn't done a fine job at all, what are you watching?'"
What have YOU been watching? |
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| Quote ="Albion"What have YOU been watching?'"
This season? Some of the worst rugby I've ever seen Saints come up with. We've had a couple of months of decent performances recently, but what went before that was pretty shocking. |
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Laughable that you can criticise NB saddened. I'm convinced its just to live up to youre user name as some find it amusing. Unfortunately some of youre comments make you look a bit of a pillock or you don't watch many of the games at all. Fundamental to any side are the pivots. The key positions 1,6,7 & 9. Lomax & Roby have missed huge chunks this season & its took Brown a while to find a half back combination but more so, the likes of Wilkin to develop & understand his role in an alien position. Wigan cant win a game without Tomkins, so I'm not sure what you expect without any key players.
Considering the kids weve bloodied, the squad he's building & the form in the last 3 months as players returned I'd say he's done a great job. Nobody realistically expected us to win anything this year, it was always a re-building process & we look a lot stronger again next season. The Simmons regime & signings were a huge set back for us but we look like getting back on track. It was of no surprise the form of the likes of Manu got better back end of the year as we developed more understanding & continuity in the halves. We miss a leader & organiser & Walsh provides that next year. The pack looks good, Roby & Walsh will thrive behind that & the likes of Turner & Manu will hurt teams with earlier quality ball out wide. One final thing that was beyond reproach was the work ethic & team spirit that squad has developed, epitomised at Leeds. A lot to be positive about.
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To be fair to Saddened!, though, we have been unacceptably poor at times this season, injuries or not. However, Brown does seen to have turned things around. Overall I think he's had a pretty ropey season, but his recruitment has demonstrated his awareness of our weak spots and the improvement towards the end of the year has shown that better times are ahead.
One thing we'll always have to live with while Brown is coach is eccentric selection decisions. Sometimes they will work and sometimes they will backfire. Hopefully he will recognise that our best performances came when the side was settled. Having said that, I like the fact that he's not afraid to move people like Wellens out of their established positions. I suppose it's about striking a balance, but I suspect he'll carry on getting it wrong from time to time. |
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| Quote ="Saddened!"This season? Some of the worst rugby I've ever seen Saints come up with. We've had a couple of months of decent performances recently, but what went before that was pretty shocking.'"
I agree.
I don't think it's any coincidence that we started to perform better once Brown had stopped his bloody tinkering. I really hope he doesn't start up that again with the new season or else we are probably in for a repeat performance. |
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I don't think it's any coincidence that we started to perform better once Brown had stopped his bloody tinkering.'"
I don't think it's any coincidence that Brown stopped tinkering when he got some bodies back fit . . . . |
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| Quote ="FearTheVee"I don't think it's any coincidence that Brown stopped tinkering when he got some bodies back fit . . . .'"
He still had his odd moments at the back end of the year, though. That starting pack against Warrington, for example. I think it's just a quirk that we'll have to get used to with Brown. Sometimes it'll reveal something interesting about a player, sometimes it'll cost us points. |
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I think it's less about tinkering.
Tinkering suggests no plan at all, just switching for the sake of it.
Personally I think there was a plan with the changes for the Wire game, however not all plans are perfect and on that occasion it did not work out, mainly due to players not retaining the ball.
Better ball retention would have lead to that opening 20 minutes being a bit of a slog athone, but I think NB would have been looking to be down by say 6 before bring on our strike players to try and bust open the Warrington defense. As it was the 2nd half of the game plan worked, it was the poor ball retention that gave up too much possession and field position.
Like I say not tinkering, but having more than one plan A, to be used against all teams.
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"I think it's less about tinkering.
Tinkering suggests no plan at all, just switching for the sake of it.
Personally I think there was a plan with the changes for the Wire game, however not all plans are perfect and on that occasion it did not work out, mainly due to players not retaining the ball.
Better ball retention would have lead to that opening 20 minutes being a bit of a slog athone, but I think NB would have been looking to be down by say 6 before bring on our strike players to try and bust open the Warrington defense. As it was the 2nd half of the game plan worked, it was the poor ball retention that gave up too much possession and field position.
Like I say not tinkering, but having more than one plan A, to be used against all teams.'"
Spot on. A lot of posters on here don't like/get Browns way of thinking and choose to mock it instead of understand it. Brown has given the full squad a run in a number of different positions and in doing so has found the best combinations and identified holes in the squad that our recruiting for next year will fill. Reading the recent article on the Saints website Brown talks about how the team has changed. The back three starting the season as Wellens/Gardner/Meli and ending as Lomax/Makinson/Swift has been an amazing improvement in terms of speed, skill and age, but it has only come about from trial and error. In the end you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.
We need to have a long term vision if we are going to improve as a club and challenge for trophies. As fans we need to look at the bigger picture and not just react to the last result regardless if it is good or bad. Brown still has work to do and his legacy at the club will depend on where the club is at the end of his 4 years. Until then I am happy to let him get on with it. |
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well that was a failure of a season from st helens all said and done. 5th placed finish, out of the playoffs early and out of the cup early.
and you thought nathan brown was the messiah! fooled me too, thought you would win something this year.
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| Quote ="brearley84"well that was a failure of a season from st helens all said and done. 5th placed finish, out of the playoffs early and out of the cup early.
and you thought nathan brown was the messiah! fooled me too, thought you would win something this year.'"
With the long term injuries we have had to key players this season, plus a lot of work to undo what Mick Potter started and Royce continued, I think to finish 5th on the back of a "poor season" isnt that bad really.
The way we have improved from the back end of June to how we finished last week has been a huge turnaround, and think NB and the coaching staff need to be recognised for this, I would challenge Huddersfield to have finished any higher if missing Brough & Lunt alone for the majority of the season let alone another 8-10 of their first choice playing squad on top of that.
Our recruitment for next year looks good (an ACTUAL scrum half!! along with some big size added to the pack for a change) and I am confident that Brown is the right man for the job and expect us to win something next season. If we fail to win anything next year, I will be more critical of him but for the adversities we have had this season I think he has done a decent job this year all in all. |
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