1st
2nd
3rd

Showing Yorskhire how its done...

Odds on the Top 3 finishing like that (in any order) ?

Yorkshire!!!!Yorkshire!!!!Yorkshire....Got a chance but still think that Leeds will be thereabouts in the shake-up....Way too early yet....

3 to 1
I expect a leeds charge soon, but they are opening up a gap that will be hard to close.

theyll need to win on thursday, they could realistically be 10 points adrift by friday afternoon, far too much as they still have to play you, warrington KR+FC home/away to name a few

Get back to t'lambing shed Seth.

I think it's going to be tough for leeds to finish top this year now but still think they will be team to beat.

Surley the team to beat is the last team to beat the whinos, the warriors

Not just North West, LANCASHIRE.

No Warrington is in Cheshire I'm glad to say.

look at fishta's sig, he means proper lancashire, not these stupid imposed boundries we have now

Those were the days.

You tell 'em.

At the end Leeds will still be favourites even if they're 8th. They'll be in the top 4 but finally Saints aren't fighting the Yorkshire mob alone now

I was thinking about this the other day. What price an all Lancs GF?

Like others have said, it's too early to write Leeds et al off yet, but it's certainly more of a possibility than in recent seasons.

Nope, it's not. Just because it's policed by Cheshire Constabulary for convenience, doesn't make it any less a part of Lancashire.

[urlhttp://www.gazetteer.co.uk/[/url - Run by the Association of British Counties.

And as they explain,

[iNote that the LGA 1972 did not do anything to the historic counties of Britain. It only abolished the administrative counties and county boroughs. The Government was (and still is) happy to confirm that the counties themselves were unaffected: "The new county boundaries are solely for the purpose of defining areas of ... local government. They are administrative areas, and will not alter the traditional boundaries of counties, nor is it intended that the loyalties of people living in them will change."(DoE Statement, 1st April 1974)[/i

And to conclude, here's a map of Lancashire:

so are you saying greater manchester and merseysidearent counties?

That's right, they're not. They're Metropolitan Boroughs, or "Unitary Authorities". They are referred to as "counties", and the situation is actually very similar to whether our nation is known as "England", "Great Britain" or the "United Kingdom", and whether you consider yourself English or British, obviously depending from where you hail.

People from Wales will tend to passionately describe themselves as "Welsh" (moreso in North Wales). People from England usually can't be d and say whatever comes into their head first. People from Real Lancashire will passionately say they are from Lancashire.

Go to the website I just linked and search "Manchester". Or "Liverpool". Or any of the places on that map.

At the end of the day, you can say you're from wherever you like, but the fact is Warrington, Wigan and St Helens (unfortunately) are all in Lancashire. Whether you put "Cheshire" or "Lancashire" on a letter going to Warrington, it'll still get there. Put "Buckinghamshire", however, and it'll head to the other Warrington that exists in this country.

Just to be a pedant.......

Only the part of Warrington which is north of the mersey, which includes the Warrington ground, is or ever was in Lancashire.

So..... Warrington RL is in Lancashire but the half of Warrington south of the river has always been in Cheshire or Mercia to go back even further.

lancashire is a non metropolitan county and Gtr manchester/merseyside are metropolitan counties. All counties just set up differently as the latter were formed when bounderies were moved.

I never thought I would agree with you on anything, but on this I definitely do.

St Helens is and always will be in Lancashire. Just because governments pratt around with administrative boundaries does not make a jot of difference to that. Lancashire is the historic county in which St Helens, Wigan, Liverpool, Manchester, etc are all still located.

he has one aspect to his personality that rational people can agree with him on, but just one

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Billinge, Nr. Wigan, Lancs.
And always will be.

Cripes, do I need to write it again?

"The Government was (and still is) happy to confirm that the counties themselves were unaffected: "The new county boundaries are solely for the purpose of defining areas of ... local government. They are administrative areas, and will not alter the traditional boundaries of counties, nor is it intended that the loyalties of people living in them will change."

The boundaries were NOT moved. There were simply new "areas" created which overlapped counties and boroughs. Lancashire, as a county, was too big for local government to have one council, so they divided it up into the Metropolitan Boroughs. The word county was used poorly to represent these, the county itself is unaffected. Warrington has its own borough council, would you say Warrington is now in the county of Warrington?



You make a fine point. Next to at least one of the bridges is a county marker stone (I can't remember exactly where it is, but I think it's between Stockton Heath and Warrington itself) which a local taxi driver pointed out to me when we had this very discussion in his cab (The next day my first daughter was born, so I can actually name the date I had this discussion, even if it was back in 2005!). Again, though, we are faced with the dilemma... Are the little satellite towns actually IN Warrington, or simply near Warrington? They're covered by Warrington Borough Council nowadays, I'm sure, but I suspect back in the days when local pride counted for something they each referred to whatever county they were in no matter how close to the boundary they were.

Local pride, you can't beat it.

If I send a letter to someone in Warrington, I'll put Lancashire on the envelope, but if someone wants to refer to it as being in Cheshire, feel free. Most of us know where it really is.

Now for the next discussion... What's a moggy?



(Can open, worms everywhere)

I'd have said greater manchester was a conurbation.

It's great to see ,rivalries aside just for a minute, the sides this side of the Pennines being at the top. It was said on the radio last week Bradford and Cas were the only Yorkshire teams to win in SL last week


And on the Counties isue I wish more people would still use 'Lancashire' on envelopes. Annoys me that artificial Metropolitan counties are used most commonly on addresses as it leads to a lot of people my generation referring to them as their county.