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| What the hell are you going on about. From when McGuire kicked the ball, draw a straight line across and both his feet are behind. When sky did so at the end, the front of the circle (smith) was in front but his actual feet you can see are behind the ball. For gods sake for just one year admit you lost fair and square (including the try) and youve bottled it for third year in a row.
To blow it three years on the trot, you really need to look at yourselves in more depth than disputing a correct decison.
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| Quote ="Adrian Monk"Dont blame the decision. We made our OWN mistakes. Silly offload by Maurie and Shocking defence from Hargreaves cost us the game.
Leeds where the Best team for 45 minutes. They deserved the win. We had them in our pocket at 8 - 0 but silly mistakes cost us.'"
I've not read the whole of the thread, but i would like to think that the rest of the responses are like this, although i doubt it.
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| We just bottled it again and committed to our own downfall.
Leeds are just too good for us.
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| Quote ="Adrian Monk"It was and it hurts, i cried when the decision was given. It hurts because it is 3 defeats on the bounce but having looked back i knew the game was gone at 8-8. We had Leeds rattled then blew it.'"
I agree... We had em and blew it! The two tries Leeds got 6yr olds score them every weekend! Shocking! I thought we were clueless near their line. I don't agree that they were better for 45 mins... We dominated when Jammer & Tony were on then it was even when they were off. Leeds just stayed in it and maybe they knew their little friend Bentham would get them out of jail? Understandable considering what happened in the league at Headlingley the other week. If we would've got beat 11-10 then fair enough, tough game & someone has to win etc... But that decision? Just a shame it has to come to that! Sums the season up for me! The officials have been dreadful and the game has REALLY suffered this year because of it! Let's hope it changes next year...
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Fair enough, we were. BUT it would have been nice to have seen the game run it's course properly rather than be cut off prematurely.
All Saints would have needed would have been a penalty inside the 40. It's not like we had to score 3 or 4 times in 10 minutes.'"
Leeds were all over you, though, to be fair. They scored two tries to your one when it was eight all, and the second half was all leeds.
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| The last Smith try was a 50/50 call from where I was sat. Haven't seen the replay than other on the big screen but it looked 50/50 last night.
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| Quote ="McClennan"The last Smith try was a 50/50 call from where I was sat. Haven't seen the replay than other on the big screen but it looked 50/50 last night.'"
Just watched it back and it looks a 50/50 call on the replays.Some you get,some you don't
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| Poor, poor call. It took the game away from us which is a shame.
Having watched the game again though, we were our own worst enemies at times. 8-0 up, playing really well and we didn't kill them off. Big mistake!
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| Quote ="Teessidewire"Only one person thought it was a try, unfortunately for you it was the Video Ref. It was definately offside, what's the point of the Video Referee when he ignores what's in front of him.'" i find it difficult to believe that bentham was convinced both feet were behind the kicker. i wonder what ganson would have given had bentham passed it back as refs call!
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| Quote ="McClennan"The last Smith try was a 50/50 call from where I was sat. Haven't seen the replay than other on the big screen but it looked 50/50 last night.'"
I thought and still think he was offside, but I also think there is doubt about Eastmonds try. I can't believe we were never shown a "side on view" which would have confirmed whether it was a knock on or not.
The soft Diskin try was a big blow for you, and one that should never be scored at top level.
The momentum turned Leeds way from that point.
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| Quote ="ROBINSON"Leeds were all over you, though, to be fair. They scored two tries to your one when it was eight all, and the second half was all leeds.'"
Yeah all over us. They demolished us didn't they FFS they were 1 point up with 10 minutes to go.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Yeah all over us. They demolished us didn't they
FFS they were 1 point up with 10 minutes to go.'"
And whenever a team kick an early drop goal they do so precisely because they are [inot[/i on top of the opposition.
A handful of our players making ridiculous errors cost us that match. I hope they - and they know who they are - are really feeling it today and will do so for a long time to come!
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| Thought it was only us cherry & whites that did the whingeing not so funny when the boots on the other foot so to speak video ref lost you the game yeah right it happens get over it
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| Am I blind or are there just idiots posting on this thread? It was offside end of! Forget whether he looks in front or behind, forget the nonsensical rule that doesn't exist that he was behind the ball as well. You only have to look who was nearest to the ten meter line and see it was McGuire and therefor Smith offside. Ruined a good game for which Saints could still have won!
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| Quote ="Blobbynator"Having watched the game again though, we were our own worst enemies at times. 8-0 up, playing really well and we didn't kill them off. Big mistake!'"
You can't kill off a champion quality side so early in today's competition but I agree that our mistakes gifted them the game. Pretty much all Leeds points came off the back of Saints mistakes. Penalty for the first, Wello being slow across for the 40/20 (you could say this was great play by Sinfield but Wello looked slow for me), muffed kick, muffed kick off, penalty and knock on. We didn't deserve that.
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| Quote ="The Black Cat"Am I blind or are there just idiots posting on this thread? It was offside end of! Forget whether he looks in front or behind, forget the nonsensical rule that doesn't exist that he was behind the ball as well. You only have to look who was nearest to the ten meter line and see it was McGuire and therefor Smith offside. Ruined a good game for which Saints could still have won!'"
I find that laughable.
It was a very exciting final - very. To say it was ruined by a call that could have gone either way is nonsense to say the least.
Its pointless to say "which Saints could still have won!" well yes but by teh same token you could easily say "Leeds could have scored twice more". the fact of the matter is you simply can't know what would have happened.
The call was 50/50 - I've seen them given, I've seen them disallowed. The angle they really needed was the angle that was clearly obscured by the camera gantry. IMO Bentham had no choice other than to award the try
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| Quote ="daves"Just watched it back and it looks a 50/50 call on the replays.Some you get,some you don't'"
Well you got the 50/50 call on Eastmoors try it looked like a clear knock on to me having touched his hand it then makes contact with Donald BEFORE he regathers and scores.
Cancel out that try and Smiths try and we are still clear winners 2 tries to none
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| Quote ="orford_addict"as a Wire fan looking in thought Benthams on-side call for Lee Smiths last try was VERY dubious : as much as I don`t like Saints (sorry !!) in any other match with any other video ref I think the try would have been ruled out
but a great effort by Saints and well done !!'"
He'd ave scored even if he was on-side. If you look at the replay theres about six Saints players stood still watching him go over the line.
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| Quote ="Crosfielder"He'd ave scored even if he was on-side. If you look at the replay theres about six Saints players stood still watching him go over the line.'"
Thats because they all stopped because he was off-side.
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| Quote ="Agent Mulder"Thats because they all stopped because he was off-side.'"
I take it you're being sarcastic because there's no way they knew he was offside, even if he was.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I thought and still think he was offside, but I also think there is doubt about Eastmonds try. I can't believe we were never shown a "side on view" which would have confirmed whether it was a knock on or not.
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Very surprised that was given to be fair. The SKY team made their minds up very quickly, but that was equally contentious (in fact more so) than the Smith try for me.
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| Sorry If this was brought up in the previous pages but I cant be bothered reading about It....BUT all this could have been avoided. If you back go to were leeds started the build up to this try you see the leeds player kick the ball forward at the play the ball.
by the way stella was lovely in the premier inn yesterday afternoon.............no stella the drink.
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| Quote ="The Black Cat"Am I blind or are there just idiots posting on this thread? It was offside end of! Forget whether he looks in front or behind, forget the nonsensical rule that doesn't exist that he was behind the ball as well. You only have to look who was nearest to the ten meter line and see it was McGuire and therefor Smith offside. Ruined a good game for which Saints could still have won!'"
Yes it would seem you qualify. Didnt ruin a good game at all, only thing that ruins the GF is sore losers.
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| Quote ="jeronimo"Yes it would seem you qualify. Didnt ruin a good game at all, only thing that ruins the GF is sore losers.'"
I'm a Salford fan so the result wasn't an issue for me, we'd beaten both teams in the regular season anyway
If you think that incorrect decisions don't ruin a game maybe you should watch R.U. I could understand it if it was the refs call but to have all that technology and still make the wrong decision it makes a mockery of the whole game and ruins it!
Proof of that is the pages and pages of people discussing the try that never was instead of the quality of the game. As has been quoted elsewhere "even Stevie Wonder saw it was offside"!
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