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You'll have to explain that, I'm not with you???
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You'll have to explain that, I'm not with you???
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| Quote ="Saddened!"icon_confused.gif You'll have to explain that, I'm not with you???'"
You never are. Some of your analysis is quite embarassing. I thought as a neutral young Tompkins played very well, far better than the credit you gave him.
How do you compare him to Eastmond?
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| Quote ="Saddened!"icon_confused.gif You'll have to explain that, I'm not with you???'"
How is he an idiot defensively when he makes more tackles, and misses less than the so-called 'best SH in SL'?
Always offside and never square.
As pointed out, your observational skills need work.
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| Quote ="Steven Soderbergh"Good result for Saints. Closet contenders four points adrift.'"
Is there something about Leeds we should know?
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| Quote ="Marvin the Martian"How do you compare him to Eastmond?'"
I don't really know, I've not seen Eastmond play much. Eastmond looks faster and more skillful with a better kicking game, but has never had the extended run in the side Tompkins has had in order to make a decision on whether he'll make it at scrum half or not. Tompkins looks a very good young player, but seems to make a lot of poor decisions at times which against better sides that Hull KR would cost Wigan. As ever with their young players he would be better served leaving ASAP so he doesn't end up on the career scrapheap with so many of their other players.
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| Quote ="Ski"XBrettKennyX has run out of Ky Jelly'"
Is that guy (and his crony) for real? Seriously?
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| [url=http://viewtopic.php?t=417042&start=0You gotta love that bi-polar disorder[/url
One minute pube head is not fit for the shirt, next minute he would be an outstanding NRL player.
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Surely for a 6 or 7 the important stats are try assists, attacking kicks, runs from dummy half and attacking kicks?
Longy (who is not having his best season) is better 3 out of 4 even when more games is taken into account.
Sam is a good player, and COULD become a great one, the same with myler and eastmond(or smith or wheeler or lomax). having 3 or more potential great halves can only help the british (english) game. But none of them are currently better than longy, but next year as they are more mature and longy is a year older, who knows?
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Surely for a 6 or 7 the important stats are try assists, attacking kicks, runs from dummy half and attacking kicks?
Longy (who is not having his best season) is better 3 out of 4 even when more games is taken into account.
Sam is a good player, and COULD become a great one, the same with myler and eastmond(or smith or wheeler or lomax). having 3 or more potential great halves can only help the british (english) game. But none of them are currently better than longy, but next year as they are more mature and longy is a year older, who knows?
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| I love that site....last week all doom and gloom and everyone on suicide watch - they win a game and suddenly every player is awesome and they are going to win every competition.
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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"I love that site....last week all doom and gloom and everyone on suicide watch - they win a game and suddenly every player is awesome and they are going to win every competition.
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Tell me about it. It's either 'giddy week' or they are on suicide watch. Being rubbish isn't good for their health. What makes me laugh the most is that when you assess the strengths of their side and ours as individuals, all of their players are better.
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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"I love that site....last week all doom and gloom and everyone on suicide watch - they win a game and suddenly every player is awesome and they are going to win every competition.
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like this?
Quote ="Ashton Warrior"Quality.
And would take him over Myler every day of the week.'"
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| Quote ="Saint Simon"like this?
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whats so funny about taking tomkins over myler every day of the week?
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Quote ="Newton-Le-willows-Warrior"whats so funny about taking tomkins over myler every day of the week?'"
as i have previously said, for a half back important stats are, try assists, runs from dummy half, attacking kicks and kicks in general play.
3-1 to myler, and that behind the second worst pack in the league. Stats of course don't tell the whole story, but its fairly conclusive who is CURRENTLY the better half back.
superleague.co.uk/statistics_pla ... eason=2009
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Quote ="Newton-Le-willows-Warrior"whats so funny about taking tomkins over myler every day of the week?'"
as i have previously said, for a half back important stats are, try assists, runs from dummy half, attacking kicks and kicks in general play.
3-1 to myler, and that behind the second worst pack in the league. Stats of course don't tell the whole story, but its fairly conclusive who is CURRENTLY the better half back.
superleague.co.uk/statistics_pla ... eason=2009
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Tell me about it. It's either 'giddy week' or they are on suicide watch. Being rubbish isn't good for their health. What makes me laugh the most is that when you assess the strengths of their side and ours as individuals, all of their players are better.'"
dont forget, every single Saints player is average - all made to look good by the un-named quality players.
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| Quote ="saints35 bulls0"dont forget, every single Saints player is average - all made to look good by the un-named quality players.'"
this is quite true, i am led to believe that Gidley is our only good player. For example it is fact that Graham only makes such massive metres in every game because the other players have softened up the defence.
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Perm Head would be the best second row in the league.
They are PRICELESS!
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| And now they are comparing him to Scully
I'm off to put that corset back on, this is funnier than Step Brothers.
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| =redAs stupid as some of our neighbours are, lets stay away from the r word please, totally unnecessary.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Tompkins did alright today, but as ever with him, he does as many stupid things as he does good things. For example his 40:20 under pressure put his side in the position to score a try, but then 2 minutes later he balloons one out on the full from way inside his own half. He is also an absolute idiot defensively, always offside and he is never square at the play the ball, which costs them over and over again. Their discipline is absolutely shocking. In the second half they had around 80% possession but were still losing ground on the penalty count. Against a top team (Any one of the 2) that would be exploited.
The star man for the Goons today wasn't that little parasite it was Frodo O'Loughlin. I don't rate him at all but he stepped up to the mark today and it was him that earned that victory, not Mr Hit then Miss Tompkins.'"
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| A well reasoned and thought out counter post there kirkamania6.
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| Quote ="Tony Stark"A well reasoned and thought out counter post there kirkamania6.'"
Cheers, it was that stupid a post there was no need to 'counter'
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| Quote ="kirkamania6"Cheers, it was that stupid a post there was no need to 'counter''"
If you read it properly you will realise it wasn't. Are you suggesting he didn't kick the ball out on the full in his own half after kicking the 40:20 or that he didn't concede a couple of penalties through his niggling and not standing square at the play the ball?
Most of my post was criticism of Wigan's discipline, for that you can check the game stats, and praise for Sean O'Loughlin.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"If you read it properly you will realise it wasn't. Are you suggesting he didn't kick the ball out on the full in his own half after kicking the 40:20 or that he didn't concede a couple of penalties through his niggling and not standing square at the play the ball?
Most of my post was criticism of Wigan's discipline, for that you can check the game stats, and praise for Sean O'Loughlin.'"
Of course I'm not suggesting he didn't kick the ball of on the full because anybody with eyes would of seen it
You suggested he did as many bad things as he did good which is a load of tosh. His kicking game, bar that one out on the full was brilliant. His passing game and general organisation was the best I've seen it. I can only remember him giving away one penalty (but I am probably wrong and his discipline isn't as poor as you make out) but he saved a certain try with a brilliant tackle as wel, his defence is excellent for a lad of his size. Sam was brilliant yesterday, his best game IMO. Your post just sounded bitter and didn't give him any credit which I felt was laughable, sorry if I misunderstood you.
Our discipline is very poor, we often get hammered in the penalty count as was the case again. Lockers was also great for us, as he has been all season, really stepped up this year. Sadly the problems lie with most of the other 15 guys in Wigan colours
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| Quote ="Saddened!"If you read it properly you will realise it wasn't. Are you suggesting he didn't kick the ball out on the full in his own half after kicking the 40:20 or that he didn't concede a couple of penalties through his niggling and not standing square at the play the ball?
Most of my post was criticism of Wigan's discipline, for that you can check the game stats, and praise for Sean O'Loughlin.'"
Your pointing 1 of the only couple of mistakes that he made, Sam is a very talented young player and will continue to make mistakes but over the future years he is going to have with Wigan I have every faith in him that he will be winning more games for us than making errors such as the one you pointed out.
And by no way am I saying he is our saviour as many of you claim that we are saying about him, but he is one of our own Wigan products along with McIlorum, Ainscough etc... who we do need to start building a team around.
You are correct though as regarding Locky, he has played out of his skin this season and Sunday's game was a true reflection of how well he has played in the majorit of our games even if we have lost. Hopefully he will stay injury free. People forget still that Locky is still pretty young and is nowhere near at the peak of his game yet. As said, we need to build a consistent team based round our own youth and not see many changes each year like your team has managed to have done. If we can do this, then we will start to see how well developed the likes of Sam Tomkins etc... have a possible impact on our future team.
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