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| What saddens me is we have the technology but idiots using it>
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| Quote ="The Black Cat"Am I blind or are there just idiots posting on this thread? It was offside end of! Forget whether he looks in front or behind, forget the nonsensical rule that doesn't exist that he was behind the ball as well. You only have to look who was nearest to the ten meter line and see it was McGuire and therefor Smith offside. Ruined a good game for which Saints could still have won!'"
Agree on that point...but surely its where McGuires foot is when kicking the ball that is the important point? On the freeze frame you can just make out the edge of the ball just beyond the Saints defenders leg and drawing a line along that point to Smith I reckon he's level,hence why Bentham gave the try.
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| Quote ="The Chief"What gets me is that sky have all this technology that can show if football players off side by using computer generated lines across the pitch.'" Quote ="Maverick Rhino"No their wasn't, both feet were behind the ball as it was kicked.
'" nicked from the Leeds board just for you! conclusive evidence it was a try
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| Lol, that line isn't even properly parallel to the 10 metre line so that's cr@p for a start off.
Offside should have been the decision & no there was no doubt about it.
If you check other VR decisions for offsides they are decided with regard to where the feet of the kicker & chaser are, not the ball.
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Lol, that line isn't even properly parallel to the 10 metre line so that's cr@p for a start off.
Offside should have been the decision & no there was no doubt about it.
If you check other VR decisions for offsides they are decided with regard to where the feet of the kicker & chaser are, not the ball.'"
Smiths feet are behind the ball which is the reason it was given but ATEOD we won get over it!!!!!!
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Lol, that line isn't even properly parallel to the 10 metre line so that's cr@p for a start off.
Offside should have been the decision & no there was no doubt about it.
If you check other VR decisions for offsides they are decided with regard to where the feet of the kicker & chaser are, not the ball.'" you really need to get over it! we all accept the call was a 50/50 and as with most vid ref calls they can and do go either way! To say there should have Been only one out come to the referral is nieve, blinkered and down right ignorant!
You are just not gonna have it that Bentham refed it to the letter of the law. Instead you think you have been robbed.
Most fans dont have a real clue what rules the refs are using as the only feedback we get most of the time is what the idiots on sky or the BBC tell us. Bentham gave the reason for his decision(both the players feet were behind the ball, which they were) and those sky fools just ignored the refs feedback via the director!
Thats why people like you are posting this crap, you dont know the rules! You only think you do. Your ignorance is painful! your own players don't have a problem with it. Why? Because they know the rules.
As you say that red line might not be 100% but it shows you it was increadibly tight! And noway can you rule it out without doubt! It's a stone wall 50/50 it went Leeds way.
dry your eyes mate!
I know it's hard to take!
I know how much the pain hurts!
But it's over!
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"you really need to get over it! we all accept the call was a 50/50 and as with most vid ref calls they can and do go either way! To say there should have Been only one out come to the referral is nieve, blinkered and down right ignorant!
You are just not gonna have it that Bentham refed it to the letter of the law. Instead you think you have been robbed.
Most fans dont have a real clue what rules the refs are using as the only feedback we get most of the time is what the idiots on sky or the BBC tell us. Bentham gave the reason for his decision(both the players feet were behind the ball, which they were) and those sky fools just ignored the refs feedback via the director!
Thats why people like you are posting this crap, you dont know the rules! You only think you do. Your ignorance is painful! your own players don't have a problem with it. Why? Because they know the rules.
As you say that red line might not be 100% but it shows you it was increadibly tight! And noway can you rule it out without doubt! It's a stone wall 50/50 it went Leeds way.
dry your eyes mate!
I know it's hard to take!
I know how much the pain hurts!
But it's over!'"
ill tell you what pal..if that had been the other way round and it had been saints who scored the try..you'd have been on here now screaming blue murder..trouble is though if it had been us he would have disallowed it...we all know the little fart leans to leeds.
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| Quote ="RIGSBY"ill tell you what pal..if that had been the other way round and it had been saints who scored the try..you'd have been on here now screaming blue murder..trouble is though if it had been us he would have disallowed it...we all know the little fart leans to leeds.'"
You've obviously not watched any leeds games that bentham and ganson have reffed this year.
Don't play the "woah is me" card we deserved to win and lets not forget the penalty against senior for the invisible barge!!
It was a tough call but when the reason was explained and you see the different angles and viewpoints without listening to the saints cheerleading squad in commentry it was a try!
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Lol, that line isn't even properly parallel to the 10 metre line so that's cr@p for a start off.
Offside should have been the decision & no there was no doubt about it.
If you check other VR decisions for offsides they are decided with regard to where the feet of the kicker & chaser are, not the ball.'"
Well clearly there was doubt wasn't there given the amount of time Bentham looked at the try.
Like I said before given the absence of the overhead shot which was obscured there was no other course of action possible other than to award the try. From some view it looked on/from some views it looked off.
Going back to teh Eastmond try that was disallowed, ignoring the tackle by Sinfield but the issue of whether the foot was in touch/not was the same. By some angles it looked in touch and by some it didn't. Had sinfield not made the tackle that try would have had to have been awarded
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| Quote ="Adrian Monk"Dont blame the decision. We made our OWN mistakes. Silly offload by Maurie and Shocking defence from Hargreaves cost us the game.
Leeds where the Best team for 45 minutes. They deserved the win. We had them in our pocket at 8 - 0 but silly mistakes cost us.'"
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| Lol @ Meli's positioning there. Big hole where it is painfully obvious where the 3 Leeds players are going to attack.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"you really need to get over it! we all accept the call was a 50/50 and as with most vid ref calls they can and do go either way! To say there should have Been only one out come to the referral is nieve, blinkered and down right ignorant!
You are just not gonna have it that Bentham refed it to the letter of the law. Instead you think you have been robbed.
Most fans dont have a real clue what rules the refs are using as the only feedback we get most of the time is what the idiots on sky or the BBC tell us. Bentham gave the reason for his decision(both the players feet were behind the ball, which they were) and those sky fools just ignored the refs feedback via the director!
Thats why people like you are posting this crap, you dont know the rules! You only think you do. Your ignorance is painful! your own players don't have a problem with it. Why? Because they know the rules.
As you say that red line might not be 100% but it shows you it was increadibly tight! And noway can you rule it out without doubt! It's a stone wall 50/50 it went Leeds way.
dry your eyes mate!
I know it's hard to take!
I know how much the pain hurts!
But it's over!'"
So you post a photo which appears to show smith in front of the kicker and the ball.
Your point being?
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| Quote ="saint at wire"So you post a photo which appears to show smith in front of the kicker and the ball.
Your point being?'" It shows smith behind the ball. But that's not the point. The point is as I've said many times is that at the very least/best/worst however you want to put it, it was a very very very tight call. A pure 50/50! It went Leeds way. No injustice, Bentham specifies the reason for the decision on sky via the director then hemmmings, after the game long and wilkin have both said it was a fair call.
There's about 6 points in there for you!
are you gonna accept that? No you just keep showing yourself up for what you are.
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| Quote ="orford_addict"as a Wire fan looking in thought Benthams on-side call for Lee Smiths last try was VERY dubious : as much as I don`t like Saints (sorry !!) in any other match with any other video ref I think the try would have been ruled out
but a great effort by Saints and well done !!'"
Unreal decision to be honest. Took one look at it in the ground, could see he was off side so sat me arris down and awaited the call... my ears almost fell off when the TRY was put up on the screen... bad call, and we didnt need it as we already had individuals on our own team coming up with clangers like kicks out on the full, kickc dead in goal, knock ons, etc etc...
Bentham got that one wrong , and will go down as the worst reffing call in GF history ( to date ), surpassing the "joynt fell over" call, and the "withers knock on" call.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"nicked from the Leeds board just for you! conclusive evidence it was a try'"
Did Stevie Wonder draw the red line ? The referee should have used the white line and the relative positions of Maguire and Smith to rule the try out.
As for the game Leeds just edged it and Saints will rue individual errors that cost them.
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| At first I thought it was a dodgy call but the rule is where the ball is and where the try scorers back leg is, in this case if you pause it, its clearly a try IMO.
Also had saints scored and lost by one point or something you would have more right to be annoyed but even without the try Leeds still win 11-10.
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| Quote ="Supreme Sydney2002"Unreal decision to be honest. Took one look at it in the ground, could see he was off side so sat me arris down and awaited the call... my ears almost fell off when the TRY was put up on the screen... bad call, and we didnt need it as we already had individuals on our own team coming up with clangers like kicks out on the full, kickc dead in goal, knock ons, etc etc...
Bentham got that one wrong , and will go down as the worst reffing call in GF history ( to date ), surpassing the "joynt fell over" call, and the "withers knock on" call.'"
You are making yourself sound really really stupid mate Were you the muppet on the Sky screen then who looked totally aghast at a correct ruling.
Quote Stuart Cummins wrote : "I am happy with the call. The view you get from the rail camera is slightly ahead of the play, but the rule is that both of Smith`s feet had to be behind the ball - that is the key to this."
"If you look at the video sequence you will see that Smith checks himself, waiting for McGuire to kick through, and his body is leaning forward."
"But the key for the VR is to look where Smith`s feet are. His left foot is on the ground and when the ball is kicked his right foot is behind his left foot. His left foot is the key."
"The VR is looking at the point where the ball is kicked. Phil judged that Smith`s left foot was behind where the ball is kicked."
"Phil was adamant that he had no doubt about his decision, and he was sufficiently confident to award the try without resorting to using the benefit of doubt that a referee can use when he isnt certain about the decision"'"
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"You are making yourself sound really really stupid mate
Were you the muppet on the Sky screen then who looked totally aghast at a correct ruling.'"
Have you honestly NEVER read one of Syd's previous posts?
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"You are making yourself sound really really stupid mate
Were you the muppet on the Sky screen then who looked totally aghast at a correct ruling.'" this should put an end to it! But it won't most of them are thick or ignorant.
Posted in other thread too
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"You are making yourself sound really really stupid mate
Were you the muppet on the Sky screen then who looked totally aghast at a correct ruling.'" this should put an end to it! But it won't most of them are thick or ignorant.
Posted in other thread too
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| Quote ="DoubleAone"You are making yourself sound really really stupid mate
Were you the muppet on the Sky screen then who looked totally aghast at a correct ruling.'" this should put an end to it! But it won't most of them are thick or ignorant.
Posted in other thread too
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| I've watched it frame by frame and Smith was at least 12" in front when the ball was kicked through. It was an absolute shocker of a decision and thats from a Hull FC fan!!!
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| Quote ="Jim H"I've watched it frame by frame and Smith was at least 12" in front when the ball was kicked through. It was an absolute shocker of a decision and thats from a Hull FC fan!!!'"
Feck me I hope your not a carpet salesman then
In your eyes Burrow must be 6 foot tall as well to get penalised for a high shot.
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| Quote ="sgtwilko"this should put an end to it! But it won't most of them are thick or ignorant.
Posted in other thread too'"
like you then ? I've read this thread (as much as I could stand) and you wont let go any more than some of the people claiming it was a shocker.
As for one of the other posts about it not mattering because of the final score then I would counter that and say that a game balanced at 11-10 is a totally different dynamic to one thats 17-10 (as it was).
All in all no matter what anyone says the try was given (FWIW wrongly IMO)
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| Every neutral fan i've talked to or has shared an opinion on this forum has called it offside. In real time it looked offside and then when at the game watching the video replay it quite clearly was marginally offside. Yet this leeds troll on here has the audaucity to call us thick and ignorant will one of the mods please remove this yorkshire muppet from the forum.
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