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| I understand that Briscoe needs a rocket up his a** and has underperformed. But even a underpar Briscoe is better than Handley! He is a turnstile in defense.
It was a tight game vs Cas until Handley came on then they scored two quick tries down his side if I remember correctly.
He is not the reason we lost but it is not a coincidence. We need a better replacement if we want to drop Briscoe.
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| Stick with Briscoe, but he needs a kick up the aris.
Send Handley out on loan, he needs some confidence he looks shot.
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"Stick with Briscoe, but he needs a kick up the aris.
Send Handley out on loan, he needs some confidence he looks shot.'"
I think the reason Handley looks shot is that he's still gaining fitness from an injury and the only time we've played him on the wing he's been playing against the best attacking team in the competition defending against their most dangerous side.
It looks like there is something seriously wrong with Briscoe and he needs to be taken out of the firing line and given time to sort things out.
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| Briscoe's lack of concentration isn't some temporary or recent phenomenon. I wouldn't be sorry to see him leave.
Handley's problem may be one of confidence but that's not a whole lot more encouraging. Most good players, while suffering the odd crisis, tend to put a lid on it before the alarm bells really start ringing. I'd give him this season to sort himself out and replace him if he doesn't.
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| Quote ="tenerifeRhino"I understand that Briscoe needs a rocket up his a** and has underperformed. But even a underpar Briscoe is better than Handley! He is a turnstile in defense.
It was a tight game vs Cas until Handley came on then they scored two quick tries down his side if I remember correctly.
He is not the reason we lost but it is not a coincidence. We need a better replacement if we want to drop Briscoe.'"
I find that comment amazing. Briscoe has done absolutely NOWT since scoring 5 at Wembley. He looks disinterested and way out of his depth and worst of all for a winger lost several metres of pace. Handley is far from being a class winger but he is keen and eager albeit injured.
Surely passion outweighs indifference?
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| When ever Leeds are behind in a match, I think back to the 2015 Wembley CC final...not for Briscoe's five tries but for the fact that 3 of them were scored within last 7 minutes ( might have been less) . It was one of a few records broken that day...What ever the reason for Briscoe's lack of confidence or form...he needs to focus back on that day n remember what he is capable of. The other thing I would like to mention is the service he gets..for ages him n Watkins had been working on long range passes at speed but they inevitably ended up going in touch. However I recall in one match the tables were turned..it was Briscoe who shipped the long pass out...which Watkins caught sending him over for a try. I know it was against Barrow ,but with Handley filling in at centre...they pulled of that pass ...that Briscoe had been waiting for an age to come right..in one go....Ok Briscoe did not go on to score..instead he delayed his pass then to send Parcell over..so on an attacking front at least it is there when the service is right...I agree his defence has let us down consistently , other teams are aware of it..targeting him.....on some occasions he been saved as Ash has got back to stop the try.
After Cas match n quoted in YEP " coach Brian McDermott backed the former Hull man as a “good player” who has been “good value” for Rhinos this year, but confirmed the substitution was in response to a series of errors. "
Whilst Briscoe has stated he will work hard to get back in form... sending him off during match might have knocked Briscoe's confidence more regardless of his positive take in YEP....Will Mac do it again if he opts to choose him again on Friday ? Would be better if he says you need to work on your game ,your confidence...when things right your back in squad.
As for Handley ..as other says he has had injury, maybe not at full strength....again I would look back to 2015 when he filled in for Briscoe, in particular the matches against Saints ..was more than capable of stepping up. I would add also when your out on loan your playing under a different system..regardless of what Mac or GH say .t can take time to adjust especially when not been in or around squad for ages. Keinhorst said as much when he was frequently loaned out then returned. .
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| Ash Handley is another one that looked far better when first broke into the first team - you have to question the coaching at some point.
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| In all seriousness, I really think that Briscoe has picked up a niggly long term injury somewhere along the line, one that seems to be affecting his lower body. His movement, speed and running style is all wrong for a fully fit player.
Im not defending his case of the CTFH's that has also sprung up in tandem but his confidence looks absolutely shot. To see him hooked at the magic was a sad, sad sight for a player used to much more solid performances.
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| We got rid of Ben-Jones Bishop to be replaced by Briscoe. I think I would rather have him back now.
I don't think he is ever going to be the same player
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| Quote ="Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino"In all seriousness, I really think that Briscoe has picked up a niggly long term injury somewhere along the line, one that seems to be affecting his lower body. His movement, speed and running style is all wrong for a fully fit player.
Im not defending his case of the CTFH's that has also sprung up in tandem but his confidence looks absolutely shot. To see him hooked at the magic was a sad, sad sight for a player used to much more solid performances.'"
Agree with you completely, regardless of what Briscoe said in Yep...he looked both shocked n dejected....Must be humiliating to have that happen to you...not the best way to handle things...Mac has named both him n Handley in 19 man squad...if he picks the same starting line up will he do it again...will make Briscoe's confidence go beneath the ground if it not already so. As Keith Senior said his coaching skills were very good but his play management/ communications left lot to be desired.
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| Quote ="ADAMJLEEDS"We got rid of Ben-Jones Bishop to be replaced by Briscoe. I think I would rather have him back now.
I don't think he is ever going to be the same player'"
We didn't get rid of BJB , he wanted the No1 jersey not playing as a winger...was promised it at Salford didn't get to be FB so left...Was briefly given FB role at Wakey but there are others ahead of him there..so maybe accepted it not going to happen so focused on his game..It is baring fruit as currently 4th in SL try table.
If Briscoe can get his confidence back..stick with him but if he just going to get benched to shock him into getting act together..don't think will work...So would welcome BJB back , though it would depend on how much Leeds had to pay to bring him back.
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| I would play Briscoe against Warrington and Handley against Widnes (unless Briscoe has an absolute stormer).
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| Quote ="TheSnowmonkey"Agree with you completely, regardless of what Briscoe said in Yep...he looked both shocked n dejected....Must be humiliating to have that happen to you...not the best way to handle things...Mac has named both him n Handley in 19 man squad...if he picks the same starting line up will he do it again...will make Briscoe's confidence go beneath the ground if it not already so. As Keith Senior said his coaching skills were very good but his play management/ communications left lot to be desired.'"
Good synopsis.
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| It's not the first time this has happened to Briscoe. England vs Australia in 2009 he got subbed halfway through the game after struggling badly so it's not a situation he hasn't faced before.
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| Why had it happened again then?
We need to help him find the root of this issue. Off field problem? Confidence issue?
He's certainly a cracking player, just been out of form for a long period of time
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| Hauling him off again after half an hour won't help BTW.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"It's not the first time this has happened to Briscoe. England vs Australia in 2009 he got subbed halfway through the game after struggling badly so it's not a situation he hasn't faced before.'"
He might have experienced been hooked during a match but that does not necessarily mean that he has learnt to deal with it. It is the same with anything some people take longer to learn from their errors. or come back from set backs.
I don't know if Briscoe reads Facebook or twitter but have read lot of negative comments on him...including get rid off him..even on his own page....I mention this as I know Galloway came in for great deal of stick on both sites...He obviously did read them as last year read ( think in YEP) that he was aware he was not popular with sections of the fans but hoped to eventually win them over. For my money coming in to fill that void left by a legend was a monumental task ..add to that knowing your not popular.....I give him full credit for working through it... He not JP or Kylie but if he can remain injury free ,give consistent performances ..he will play his part in hopefully give Leeds some success....mind whoever had come in would have copped some flak.
Another observation on Mac is going back to 2015 when Kev got injured n Sutty replaced him...when Kev returned from injury Sutty initially kept Kev out of the starting line up...he then I if I recall ended up on bench...but there was then for a while a period where Mac could not make his mind up...until he finally had the sense to allow Kev to mentor Sutty during a match.
So back to Briscoe ....he needs to boost his moral.. make him realise that he is a quality player..as said in another post...remind him not just of the 5 tries at Wembley which was great...but the 3 tries in 7 mins which for me is more impressive..Especially the try which he intercepted ,in mid air..in the rain..then ran length of pitch to score...any other team or player..media would be showing that try endlessly. The other way he could boost his confidence is ..to show he is quality is to mentor Ash Handley....after all you only mentor if you have experience n ability..so by doing that you re enforce it.
Reality is though if Briscoe is in starting line up....has the errors then he is hauled off again...or if he doesn't start , is on bench , or is not in squad at all..then his confidence will remain blown..in which case then can see him been sold at end of season.
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| Or used as bait in another transfer.
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| Quote ="Ex-Swarcliffe Rhino"Or used as bait in another transfer.'"
That appears to be a popular choice ...but we should be working to help him through his troubles...winger was not the original position that needed sorting. Also what happens when the next player hits a bad run of form loses confidence...pardon the pun but off load them for another player ? Can't keep doing that or you never have a settled squad.
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| Quote ="Bang"Hauling him off again after half an hour won't help BTW.'"
Then again it don't help the other 16 players if he's playing with his head stuck up his arris. With hindsight it made no difference to the result but I don't blame McD for hauling him off.
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| Briscoe has been a weak link under the high ball since he came to the Rhinos. We got knocked out of the play offs to Catalan because of him too. I hope he goes. Loan Handley to Bradford or Fev. Golding can play wing. Make up with Hardaker and Walker can be back up.
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| Briscoe should gain more confidence from last night he looked a lot better physically & mentally.
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| Good game from Briscoe last night. Took the ball in well, shoes good balance when riding tackles. Didn't have a lot to do in defence but held his shape well and didn't lose concentration. One game against a poor wolves outfit shouldn't be over emphasised but credit where it's due.
I'm on the fence with Handley. He's young still but hasn't shown a lot of progress, but then hasn't had much opportunity or regular football. I agree with others that a season long loan would do him good.
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