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| not many of us are having a laugh at the moment. Now we have to match the Giant's efforts of last season, losing the opening three games but still going on to contest the qualifying semis. Can this Leeds team turn this season around?
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| If we can get a side that remotely resembles our first choice 17 then I think we'll be up there. I don't think the impact of the transition of key players should be underestimated. Most of all though, I think the loss of the training ground has had the biggest impact. We definitely look a undercooked.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen" I think the loss of the training ground has had the biggest impact. We definitely look a undercooked.'"
True, I know some people will scream "excuses" but their's a reason sport teams spend good money on quality training bases. To be at your best when you're hopping around various locations is far from ideal if you're trying to challenge for trophies.
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| To be fair we've been beaten by Wire, who've started like a house on fire, as well as two of the hardest away venues in the league, all with a rather long injury list. It's not time to panic.
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| No need to panic yet, if we win the next three well probably be favourites
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"True, I know some people will scream "excuses" but their's a reason sport teams spend good money on quality training bases. To be at your best when you're hopping around various locations is far from ideal if you're trying to challenge for trophies.'"
Don't forget to mention that really tough and unnecessary fixture Leeds had against the Kiwis last year which also disrupted Leeds plans this season... LOL.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Don't forget to mention that really tough and unnecessary fixture Leeds had against the Kiwis last year which also disrupted Leeds plans this season... LOL.'"
Whilst you're just trying to be an ar$e (as usual as it comes naturally) I stick by that it didn't help. Look at Leeds previous year, early playoff exit and start 2015 season on fire. Wire and Hull pretty much start planning for 2016 one week after the super 8's and look good at the start of 2016. We end up playing until end of October when players should be on a beach resting.
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| Galloway looks like the new Chris Feather, where you found him from, very poor
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Whilst you're just trying to be an ar$e (as usual as it comes naturally) I stick by that it didn't help. Look at Leeds previous year, early playoff exit and start 2015 season on fire. Wire and Hull pretty much start planning for 2016 one week after the super 8's and look good at the start of 2016. We end up playing until end of October when players should be on a beach resting.'"
I thought you said it was the SPOTY that had caused this? make you mind up!!
I'm not sure how the NZ game negatively impacted the likes of Hardaker, Hall, Ferres, Galloway, Burrow, Watkins, Delanney? - are seriously suggesting the likes of Handley, Walters, Mullally and Lilley needed more rest?
Lilley needs some pace injecting into his legs - without that he will not make it at this level and Mullally needs some skill and technique or else he will not make it either.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Whilst you're just trying to be an ar$e (as usual as it comes naturally) I stick by that it didn't help. Look at Leeds previous year, early playoff exit and start 2015 season on fire. Wire and Hull pretty much start planning for 2016 one week after the super 8's and look good at the start of 2016. We end up playing until end of October when players should be on a beach resting.'"
Gimme a shout when you've discovered a rare planetary alignment which is deliberately unfavourable towards Leeds Rhinos performances and results this season.
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| The spirit of Elland Rd is seeping through.
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| Quote ="William Eve"Gimme a shout when you've discovered a rare planetary alignment which is deliberately unfavourable towards Leeds Rhinos performances and results this season.
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Pointing out a shortened preseason can effect you in sports.....yep really out there planetary thinking.
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| Quote ="leedsnsouths"No need to panic yet, if we win the next three well probably be favourites'"
No chance. Still not going to panic. We should be able to beat the likes of Sheffield and featherstone in the middle eight. I'll start to panic if we lose the first next season.
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| Quote ="rotherhamrhino"No chance. Still not going to panic. We should be able to beat the likes of Sheffield and featherstone in the middle eight. I'll start to panic if we lose the first next season.'"
Dont panic youll have Bradford to look forward too ,dont knock the traditional derby.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"I thought you said it was the SPOTY that had caused this? make you mind up!!'"
Yeah that's why I titled the thread "New Zealand Exhibition Game" you genius.
Quote ="Sal Paradise"I'm not sure how the NZ game negatively impacted the likes of Hardaker, Hall, Ferres, Galloway, Burrow, Watkins, Delanney?'"
Yeah great pick 4 guys who extended their seasons with England and international players usually start their seasons slow (notice the difference it made for Peacock retiring). And it's not just the playing the 80 mins, the whole club spent too long celebrating what they did in 2015 (especially including the NZ game) rather than focusing on the 2016 season.
Can you honestly sit their and say the likes of Warrington and Hull weren't focused and concentrated on 2016 around 2 months or more earlier than us?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"I thought you said it was the SPOTY that had caused this?.'"
I didn't say this as answered above.
But what I did say in the pre-season of 2015 was that the CC semi and Final of 2014 gave a true indication of what this team could do in 2015 and said they'd do well in 2015......you said the final 6 league losses gave the true indication of where the team was at when predicting massive gloom for 2015 and said my view was only made with blue and amber glasses on.........
.....who hit the nail on the head more? As much as you dislike that and anything I say, it isn't with blue and Amber glasses on, it's because it's what I think will happen regardless of my support for the club and it's been far more accurate than any cr@p you've come up with.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"Yeah that's why I titled the thread "New Zealand Exhibition Game" you genius.
Yeah great pick 4 guys who extended their seasons with England and international players usually start their seasons slow (notice the difference it made for Peacock retiring). And it's not just the playing the 80 mins, the whole club spent too long celebrating what they did in 2015 (especially including the NZ game) rather than focusing on the 2016 season.
Can you honestly sit their and say the likes of Warrington and Hull weren't focused and concentrated on 2016 around 2 months or more earlier than us?'"
I doubt you last sentence very much - Leeds is the most professionally run club in SL, if you think the preparation for 2016 started when they came back for pre-season I think you underestimate the people running the club. You don't suddenly go from hero to zero and all the good practises that got the team to win the treble go out of the window?
My view is the injuries have been brutal and have exposed the lack of depth/quality in key positions and focuses the attention on youth development - IMO Leeds haven't brought a really top player through since Watkins. That needs to change if things are to improve in the longer term.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"I didn't say this as answered above.
But what I did say in the pre-season of 2015 was that the CC semi and Final of 2014 gave a true indication of what this team could do in 2015 and said they'd do well in 2015......you said the final 6 league losses gave the true indication of where the team was at when predicting massive gloom for 2015 and said my view was only made with blue and amber glasses on.........
.....who hit the nail on the head more? As much as you dislike that and anything I say, it isn't with blue and Amber glasses on, it's because it's what I think will happen regardless of my support for the club and it's been far more accurate than any cr@p you've come up with.'"
Easy in hindsight though!! - even you couldn't have predicted McGuire's piece of genius that turned the whole 2015 season on its head. I don't disagree with everything you say but I do think its easy to say well its the NZ game, its the flooding at Kirkstall, its the SPOTY - all excuses you have you used as to why the team is not competitive. The issues are a bit less superficial than that. Again easy to say it will be all OK after Easter - it will be difficult for it to be any worse tbh.
2017 is a long way off - and it is near impossible to see Leeds losing their first three games of 2017 and having the injury issues they have now - losing 3 players to serious injury in one game seldom ever happens - so you don't need to be Nostradamus to predict an improvement
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise" IMO Leeds haven't brought a really top player through since Watkins. That needs to change if things are to improve in the longer term.'"
Stevie Ward? also Singleton has progressed well after we have stuck with him for a couple of years, maybe not top class as of yet but he is still improving at a decent rate so who knows. still early days with the likes of Sutcliffe, Lilley, Golding, Handley, Baldwinson but at least they are now getting the chances. for several years many on here were crying out for fresh blood and now it is happening. Patience needs to be shown though, these lads can't be world class from the get go, they won't be consistent and will make mistakes but that is what will make them better players in the long term. i think it is exciting times for the club if these lads can push on, we will see.
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| Jury is still out on Ward - he seems to spend more time injured than playing - he has the potential to be a top class player if he can stay fit - time will tell. He has become more of a tackling machine than anything which is a shame as he had some real skills coming through as a youngster.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Jury is still out on Ward - he seems to spend more time injured than playing - he has the potential to be a top class player if he can stay fit - time will tell. He has become more of a tackling machine than anything which is a shame as he had some real skills coming through as a youngster.'"
Well, he was knocking on the door for rep selection so he is pretty damn close to top class already imo, although i still believe like you he has plenty more in his locker which will probably come out more now Sinfield has moved on. Lets not forget he is still just 22 years old, hopefully the injuries will ease.
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"Well, he was knocking on the door for rep selection so he is pretty damn close to top class already imo, although i still believe like you he has plenty more in his locker which will probably come out more now Sinfield has moved on. Lets not forget he is still just 22 years old, hopefully the injuries will ease.'"
Agreed - hopefully he has all his injuries at beginning of career.
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| Jesus , if other teams were making all these excuses we would be just taking the Mickey , there are things so obviously wrong that need fixing up in training and a bit of mongrel in the pack would not go amiss , there is some real powder puff defence going on .
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| A 32 point defeat for Huddersfield this afternoon at home to Widnes would ensure that Leeds move off the bottom of SL into 11th place.
My glass is half full.
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| Quote ="William Eve"A 32 point defeat for Huddersfield this afternoon at home to Widnes would ensure that Leeds move off the bottom of SL into 11th place.
My glass is half full.'"
They only lost by 18. Widnes did Leeds a favour taking their foot off the gas in the second half.
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