Ambler was not considered as worthy of a place in the Leeds team as Cross was....and along with Amor is still isn't considered worthy enough above our 'solid' signing, Griffin....

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Can anybody catergorically state that the club always knows best ?? Two young(er) props sidelined by older guys with bags more abilitities ?....go figure.

Admittedely Moore does seem to offer more than the other 'old timers' but are we also now going to see Singleton sidelined in the same manner as Ambler and Amor for this questionable better valued 'experience'?

[iOf the existing first choice forwards - if we must persist with the same faces - I would again suggest Delaney is better material for the front row; Bailey better for the back row.[/i

I don't think Ambler is the necessary quality and I've yet to see anything from Kyle Amor that would suggest he'll be getting called back in a couple of months. Peacock has been steady while kyle Leuluai has looked our best forward in some games yet innefective in others. Griffin has just been there, nothing more nothing less. I'd say the forwards that give us most go forward are Bailey and Moore on current form. If I was picking four for the Wigan game I'd go with Peacock,Leuluai, Bailey and Moore.

With regards to Luke Ambler, I definitely think the club knows best. He hardly pulled up many trees during his spell at Quins, and is now at Halifax where I'd imagine he's doing a solid enough job without being spectacular.

As for Amor, I would like to see us use the option to take him back and see what he can do. I thought at the start of the season he should have been kept instead of signing Richard Moore - but have been pleasantly surprised at RM's form when he's been in the team.

TBH Griffin started like a house on fire, then sttled down and I thought, he is everything I hoped Cross would be last year. Amor looks to be going strong at Wakey and Ambler looked decent, but I always thought he lacked that mean streak needed to thrive in the front row.

Bailey should be at Loose forward and I honestly think Delaney would give the same effort/do the same job no matter where you put him.

Moore is definatley the most impactful and that puts him ahead of Ambler Amor and Griffin in my book. I think looking at Mcdermotts selections barring injury we will, at least for this year see JP and Kylie with Bailey and Moore off the bench.

I wouldnt worry about Singo, not even Mcdermott could struggle to see how well he is developing, but not many props can come in and dominate, or even play at SL level consistently at the age of twenty. not everyone is Sam Burgess or James Graham

I did pitch Ambler versus Cross

.....you think Cross offered more ?

We'll never know now of course what Ambler might have done if allowed some time alongside a then younger Peacock.

The Sky commentary at the weekend appeared keen to describe Amor as the former Leeds player at every opportunity.

Cross was an awful signing that obviously never worked out, slow (even for a prop) and a penalty machine. Luckily the club realised this quickly, cut their losses and got rid.

Once he was gone (followed soon after by Luke Burgess as it turned out), if Ambler was good enough he'd have been recalled from Quins and played the rest of the season. He wasn't, so that says to me that he just doesn't have what it takes to cut it at a top SL club.

Sure but what about at Leeds?

[url=http://www.halifaxcourier.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/ambler-caps-fine-show-with-dramatic-winner-1-4587143"Luke Ambler crowned a majestic individual performance with a last-play matchwinner"[/url



[url=http://viewtopic.php?f=15&t=528499&tsmp=1338272119Ambler's "performance tonight was simply outstanding"[/url

To be fair it wasn't as if Cross was around for too long, and Griffin has already fallen down the pecking order behind a deserving Moore.
I think a more appropriate comparison is Pitts versus Clarkson from this season.

He's not all there, a liability, technically awful, tryless, pointless, 30+ year old rookie, journey man - but he can do wonders with paving.

Ben Cross at least shows just because you've got the frame and tank, doesn't mean you can play rugby.

A mate of mine who watches a lot of championship games, says that Ambler looks a pretty promising player, and has looked very impressive.

By contrast, says he has seen Dewsbury play twice and doesn't have the same view of Singleton. Which is surprising. Personally I thought Dewsbury was the wrong club to send Singleton to anyway.

With regards Amor, I already stated my view at season start, that people need to put that one to bed.

I also stated before season start that Moore could turn out a good signing for us after a while, and I have not been let down yet. Griffin started off well but just seems to have lost it since. I think in Griffins case it is a case of too little minutes too often. He would produce better with longer stints and then rotated for rest.

The go forward comment is very debatable. Bailey gives us no go forward as yardage, and is in the team for different qualities to that.

Gotcha-re Singleton ,Jowitt was very happy with young Brad signing for them he said after the Keighley match that he'd told him straight that he was playing men now and had to do the job on Korkidas which he went onto to do with flying colours.

I'm not critisising him. I'm passing on a third party view point. All I said was that I wouldn't have put him under Jowitt. Would have prefered him under Powell or Aston if a choice was to be had.

I was at the Dewsbury game and although Singleton's performance was a stand out he did not do a job on Korkidas. Keighley were behind when he came on and lost momentum and the game when he came off. It was not co incidental.
Singleton will definitely make it but whether it will, or should be, this season is very much under debate.

That is another one of course....



Pitts versus Clarkson......club choice Clarkson


Keep Ambler part of first team squad or sign Cross ?.....club choice Cross, then Kirke as prop.


Keep Ambler AND Amor part of first team squad or sign Griffin ..... club choice Griffin... AND Kirke



Whoops ! Good choices lads.



Moore has been more of prudent signing (so far)....but I would still have preferred to have seen more faith in the younger lads. I really hope we don't make the same mistake with Singleton and keep sidelining him over the next couple of seasons in favour of the "old guard" of Peacock/Kylie/Griffin/Moore as well as the average when at his best Kirke.

Might be worth remembering that Amor, Ambler, Cross & Pitts were all signed when McClennan was the coach, and Clarkson was promoted up to first team by him too.
Only Griffin and Moore are McDermott buys and Griffin looked a decent signing at first and could still pick up again, and Moore has been a pleasant surprise because I don't think many thought too much about that signing.

carnt believe were reveiwing singletons first game in the championship, e must av only trained with them twice before his 1st game , the kid is 19 and will take time to gel into a new team and get used to new plays and game plans, give the kid a chance , ambler is about 4 year older than him, and is in a very good fax side, weve all seen what singo has got , hes been playing 20s for 2 plus years , wen really this is his first genuine 1st season he should have started.even when ward goes out dont expect to much he aint going to be ripping the championship up, it a very hard league , as ive said before dont rush the kids !

Let me repeat yet again before usual crap flies. There is no critism from me about Singleton, far from it. I related a comment from someone else in comparing our players out on loan.