Should there been a minutes silence for the ex leeds player mick shaw at last nights game

Yes.

i thought it was bit dis respectful in not having one

Has there been a minutes silence for every ex-Leeds player who has passed away? Prematurely, or otherwise?

If the answer to that question is NO, then why should Mick Shaw be considered an exception?

They must only do it for well known club legends

I didn't even know he'd died until I stumbled upon an article in the YEP yesterday. What happened?

Probably not a popular opinion, but I agree with this.

Maybe i had a bit more sentiment because he died so young but if you have appeared for leeds a wore the shirt why should it make a difference if you were a legend or not , you played for us and we should as supportes and club show our respect , may be that should be the policy going forward

Probably not a popular opinion, but popular opinion in general needs to get a grip. As another poster has already alluded to, minutes silences in this context are reserved for legends of the club or for someone who has made a major and significant contribution to the game.

Yes, it's sad that an ex-player has died at such a relatively young age. I'm just not convinced it's appropriate to be organising a minutes silence on this occasion. We run the risk of watering down the importance of duly-earned commemorations as these minutes silence become more commonplace and lose their meaning. What I will say is that it would have been more appropriate in context having a minutes silence at Headingley for Mick Shaw than it was for those soldiers killed in Afghanistan recently.

And this is why I thought there should have been. We've had minutes' silence for people who have never played for us. What's the criteria? If an ex player doesn't merit it but, for example, Jayne Tomlinson does then I am confused.

I'm not confused. I believe minutes silences in the context of Headingley are reserved for special occasions to commemorate legends of the club or game (though I appreciate that's a subjective assessment) but I'm sure you'll agree with me that players like John Holmes and Roy Powell do qualify. No offence intended to Mick Shaw but I don't think he qualifies. The same can be said for other ex-players who have passed away who have not been commemorated with a minutes silence at a Headingley fixture.

In the context of Headingley, a minutes silence for Jane Tomlinson was also inappropriate IMO. Just because we've witnessed a few inappropriate commemorations which were out of context doesn't mean a more contextually appropriate one should be given the go ahead for that reason alone. Let's just dispense with the inappropriate ones full stop and divert this post-Diana, faux-traumatic, commemorative celebrity tragedy bollox to where it ought to be commemorated instead.

I once recall being at Headingley watching cricket and there was a minutes silence for Richard Whiteley during the tea interval on the basis that he was a proud Yorkshireman who embodied everything that was great about Yorkshire! I thought that was inappropriate given the context... what did he have to do with Yorkshire Cricket? My guess is that he embodied everything Yorkshire Tory, hence the association with Yorkshire Cricket. And yes, of course I ignored it and went for a leak.

Matthew Syed did a cracking piece in the times a couple of weeks ago along similar lines, about people 'out grieving' each other, how the gestures by clubs for Gary Speed seemed to get bigger and bigger, football clubs were judged on their twitter responses (or lack of) to the Muamba situation etc, a bit flowery in places, i would link to it but it's behind rupert's pay wall, and i had best not do a full C&P

Thanks for that. I just found a free (non-rupert obviously) indirect link to that article via a google search. Very interesting how Syed talks about the fetishisation of grief and how it's moved into the realms of manufactured soap opera territory.

My orignal post was no about grieving or twitter , rupert etc etc , fetishisation but had leeds made the right or wrong descision in not observing a minuties silence i appreciatation of mick shaw , he was not a "leeds legend "or a household name (as gary speed )but should have leeds done the right thing in recognising a ex leeds player had passed away , its not as if it happens every week at least they could have played with black arm bands , if they can play with red hair !!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't believe the club didn't give a minute's silence for Mick, very sad.

Given that Leeds have played since 1895, there will be several former players who die every year - many with much longer careers at Leeds than Shaw. I do think that the minute's silence can be easily devalued into something completely pointless if done too often.

...and slightly at a tangent - does your average factory have a minutes silence before work starts in a morning every time a former (not even a current) employee dies ?

They played with black armbands last week.

I don't think there is any fixed criteria regarding 'a minutes silence' before a match although it has been generally reserved for former players, officials, employees and I seem to remember even supporters but all of note ie: that have given outstanding service to the club.

I have no objection at all if the club also decide to include from time to time the rememberance of other tragic loss of life outside the club which catches the mood of the public. Has the level of compassion in our civilisation dropped so low that we cannot spare just one minute occasionally to show repect to other people's loss.

The recent 'silence' for the 5 young army lads killed in Afghanistan was IMO fitting as they were from our northern community and I understand it brought some small confort to their devastated families. I was brought up in the days when people would stop in the street when a funeral cortege passed by and the gentlemen would take off their hats.

I still do this my dad used to always make us as kids stop and take our hats of or bow our heads when a funeral past. Sort of stuck with me and have always done it

An alternative "Wootton Bassett" type venue would have been far more appropriate for those wishing to share their politically-motivated grief among themselves.

Yes, those happy days before the internet was around to enable posters to make inaccurate statements.

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I agree minute silences should be kept to a minimum if they are to remain meaningful. Mick Shaw, (38 App, 13 Tries, 52 Points) would probably miss out.

Agree totally with the last part. For me too many minutes silence waters down the effect. For me they should be to a minimum to keep them meaningful. There are other ways to pay respect for instance black arm band etc

I honestly don't see why any mark of respect can be "diluted" tbh.
We do it because people have died not as any kind of p!$$ing comp whether it's a minutes silence/applause or black arm bands there's nothing wrong with showing respect for those that have died especially IF they've represented our club ,the city or county/country.

Sadly took his own life which was quite shocking as Mick never came across as somebody who suffered with depression and was a lively type of guy