agar has never beat you lot since he has been our coach, sods, law he will hopefully get his first and last on sunday, how long can defeats to leeds go on for, we were patched up after 10 mins v wolves and they beat anyone now, very close call for this one,

I have to say this one is going to be close I reckon. In the cup quarter final at the KC, FC had a real crack and I think they are probably playing better still now. It's win at all costs or season over for either side, so it should be a corker. And I'm sure FC will bring a small army of supporters over too so the atmosphere should be electric!

Richard Agar has also never coached a SL Play-Off win albeit from just the one attempt. This will be Brian McDermott's first experience of the end of season serious stuff, so no pressure. Someone's gonna break their duck whichever way it turns out.

Club-wise overall Leeds have won 15 of their 30 Play-Off games while Hull have progressed in 3 from 12. At Headingley Leeds have won 9 from 14 (including a win V Hull 36-22 in '02) while Hull are 1 from 5 when travelling.

This season has felt more than a little like 2006 and we all know what happened then - for both clubs.

Although Leeds drop this season has been worse than Hull's, I dont think there is any doubt that both clubs should be aiming for more than what we got this season. This game could be very close, but i still cant see us winning at your place. We just lack the mentality and composure needed to beat the big teams

Am I close in thinking we had won 10 in a row against Hull before the 2005 CC final?

actually the more telling stat is that agar was only won one game of knockout rugby against superleague opposition - wakefield in the semi final of the cup in 2008

Seriously? that's a terrible record

You beat Bradford in the quarters!

Pretty close.

Leeds had Won 10 and Drawn 1 in the previous 11 meetings in a sequence stretching back to March '02 and Leeds' final visit to the Boulevard.

W, W, W, W, D, W, W, W, W, W, W ......

At present Leeds have come out on top in the 10 most recent meetings dating from Sept '07

yes we did my mistake, for some reason i thought we beat widnes at that stage - it was the year we played thackray unregistered

still its only 2 wins in 5 years

He's a terrible coach

My personal thought is that neither coach will be to "blame" for the win and player experiece will be the difference where Leeds have the edge. I think it will be a fairly close game throughout with the gap widening in the last 10/15 mins or so. And from a Leeds point of view, apart from the week before the cup final and the first 15 of that game we have played some very good stuff over the last 5 or 6 weeks and in patches have looked like the Leeds of a few years back.

Again though, Hull have started to pick up form and as I say, it should be a tough, hard hitting game. Im not sure i've yet to see Yeaman and Brisco get the better of thier Leeds counterparts yet and this will be key again on Sunday eve.

Hopefully they will get some ball this weekend, unlike the league fixture at your place where them two and Manu didnt get the ball!

On the night it appeared a deliberate ploy to send the ball down the right channel through Westerman. It looked to me as if they were trying to sell Leeds a dummy for the more important Challenge Cup game the following week.

By the end of the game the following week the above comment Re-Coach Agar appeared a more accurate reflection of what happened over the course of the fortnight.

a lot did go through Westerman that night. He seems to be popping up on both sides of the field in recent times and Horne has really upped his game so hopefully (or hopefully not in your case) we will see a more enterprising attack from Hull this time

We still wont win though

Hull are without

long
gleeson
fitzgibbon

and probably obst, with briscoe and tickle doubtful.

Comfortable win for leeds I think

We were very lucky to do so aswell! They had a huge overlap on our right sided defence and Matt Sign took a brilliant interception and went the length of the field to score under the posts, huge turning point. I think we may have even had 12 men on at that point!