Wouldn't it be great if supporters after the game could lay the fault of the defeat at the players, coach etc and not the officials.

Time and time again we see people on here blaming the referee or even worse accusing them deliberately of favouring the opposition and so enough is enough.

I propose we have a respect the referee weekend, where we accept every decision they make.

you got me! I'm on the hook!

You have to be kidding mate! Out of all the boards this one is where the refs get the blame the least!

I remember last year after the mighty BULLS beat you 10 points to six at Odsal, there was a Alibert thread on here seven pages long saying that he gave everything to the Bulls.

I'm sat here wondering what odds you could have got at Billy Hills yesterday for somebody posting such and presenting it as a serious topic for debate .

he wasn't the ref smith was! baggin the vid ref is totally different as they get it wrong so often it's a bit of a joke really! Half the time they should just toss a coin at least that would be acceptable! Albert pulled out of the hat a rule that was not inforced before and has not been inforced since for the burrow try! He also gave a knock on when the ball didn't touch the ground or hit a player? So what he really gave was a forward pass off of jjb for the mcguire try which a vid ref can't judge on. He also missed a blatant obstruction by Newton when reviewing the beaver try(maybe sheriffe)
so not his best outing in the box! but that's not why we lost! We were shocking! But so were you. I new that night you wouldn't make the 8.

The Burrow 'no try' was the correct call by the video referee and the reason we don't see more tries ruled out for a player being ahead of the ball carrier at the play the ball is because it happens extremely rarely.

When we had the discussion last year there were very few examples uncovered and I've not seen any since either.

It was the right call to the letter of the law but how many times do we see trys chalked off by the vid ref on review when the play starts with a player not playing the ball or walking off the mark? never. Or would we see a try from a scrum chalked off for feeding? these are rules! That are ignored. I don't want to open this can of worms again but common sense in that situation would have been that Webb was onside when play went past him and he joined back in.

I thought it had been established that this guy is real now. I must have missed something. This is definately surely an alias from someobody of this board.

This guy is the worst moaner on the whole of RL fans boards about referees.

I was talking to Andy Lynch yesterday, and he was having a good laugh about this poster Mick Gledhill, and he believed he was an actual supporter. He said all the Bulls players who view these boards come out with Mick Gledhill jokes every week, as they think he is exactly that, a joke.

Nope, he's real. Myself and Harrigan have had a beer with him

Tell Steve Mc.

Good to know, well I hope the Bulls players after Sundays game know that they were jokes.

I remember that, Headingley before the Bulls game.

Some rules are ignored (referees current interpretations) but others aren't. It was a rarity that needed a ruling there and then. In that sense it could have gone either way. Has there been another instance where a try has been allowed to stand in a similar circumstance since the Webb/Burrow one was correctly IMO disallowed?

Some posters claimed at the time that this type of incident happens and is ignored every week yet they were unable to point to many if any instances of it occurring.

It's much less common now than when a former Wigan and Leeds loose forward made a career out of poaching tries from that position.

He certainly did!

we see incidents where defending players are stood(or walking through the attacking line sometimes getting in the way of fluant play, there are involved but are sly about it, this is let go all the time. I have seen Fozzard set off for the kick chase before the ball was played, he didn't get behind the play the ball infact he was past the defensive line. I've also seen him come on as a sub and not get on side but come on behind the defensive line moving towards the receiver and was put on side by a man passing him. Isn't that the same principle?

I think what happend to Webb happens more than we think! I will keep an eye out for it and get back to you.

And if a player from his own team advances with the ball and then passes it to him he'll be offside. If it's hoofed over his head then he's offside if he encroaches within ten metres of the catcher. The only thing that puts him onside and in a position to play at the ball is if it is touched in flight by an opposition player.

Please do. I'd like to see and discuss some specific examples that show the Webb/Burrow call was not an isolated case and where although the ruling was correct Leeds were singled out and punished.

On a similar note I can't help noticing that since the NRL controversially removed the corner flag from having a relevance in try scoring decisions there hasn't been a single try awarded with a player coming in to contact with one.

Mr Smith isn't doing much to help this cause. I've been scratching my head for large parts of this match!!

He was abysmal and this is the standard set by the Refs chief!

Well, we saw the best and worst of Ian Smith tonight and the reason why he will probably never get the top games. He made 3 clear errors for me but one really crucial and very clear error that did seemingly turn the game against HKR.

The ball steal that was not a ball steal and then of course that led almost straight to the sin-binning of Newton and Warrington Try. I have argued before that ref's (video in particular) should stick to making decisions on the basis of exactly what he sees (or can see), or does not see (can't see), and not assume anything. In the case of ref'ing our game, assuming can lead to the old saying of it making an ass(of)U(&icon_wink.gifme. Ian Smith clearly assumed that Hull KR had stolen the ball because it just looked like they had to him, but he clearly did not actual see that happen as the Sky reply shows a very clear attempted off-load and not even a hint of a ball steal!

We did however see a good video ref decision that used good judgement of the real speed of the game and not just blindly looking at and following the slow-motion frame by frame reply to make a call.

Still, not a good start by Mr Smith to the respect the ref weekend!

All great points IA and i agree but what really got me was that he was prepared (rightly imo) to clamp down on the grapple tackle and high shots against HKR but Wire went virtually unpunished which again highlights the inconsistency when this buffoon is the whistle blower.

Ian Smith and Ben Thaler both took control of two SL games last weekend. According to this: www.therfl.co.uk/about/page.php?id=183&areaid=54 Ian Smith was supposed to be doing the Hull V Salford game not Warrington V Hull KR, do the referees not have sat navs? In addition Ian Smith is scheduled to do the Wakefield - Wigan game at Belle Vue on Sunday. Should referees be expected to double up now that they are full-time or is it asking too much? And why is it the oldest of our referees in Ian Smith who has been given the heaviest SL workload?

Ian Smith and Ben Thaler both took control of two SL games last weekend. According to this: www.therfl.co.uk/about/page.php?id=183&areaid=54 Ian Smith was supposed to be doing the Hull V Salford game not Warrington V Hull KR, do the referees not have sat navs? In addition Ian Smith is scheduled to do the Wakefield - Wigan game at Belle Vue on Sunday. Should referees be expected to double up now that they are full-time or is it asking too much? And why is it the oldest of our referees in Ian Smith who has been given the heaviest SL workload?

I like Ian Smith, unfortunately he's about as much use as an Emile Heskey goal scoring masterclass.

How can you respect that referee performance today? he is so out of his depth it is untrue as people were saying should of stuck to been a linesman.