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| IIRC Prior to the Bulls game JP had played 207 for the Bulls & 205 for us.
So he's now played more games for us than he did for the Bulls.
Waits with bated breath for tvoc to prove me wrong.
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| Quote ="The Eagle"Was I correct in hearing that Kirke reached 150 appearances in France?'"
150 appearances in Super League games only (regular season and play-offs combined total)...
Quote ="Old Feller"IIRC Prior to the Bulls game JP had played 207 for the Bulls & 205 for us.
So he's now played more games for us than he did for the Bulls.
Waits with bated breath for tvoc to prove me wrong.
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JP did indeed play 207 games for Bradford, but I reckon yesterday was only his 207th for Leeds.
Do you agree on that figure tvoc?
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| Quote ="A-Fire-Inside"150 appearances in Super League games only (regular season and play-offs combined total)...
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How many carries?
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| Quote ="G1"How many carries?'"
He must be up around the 600 mark
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| Quote ="A-Fire-Inside"He must be up around the 600 mark
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thought that may be asked
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| Quote ="A-Fire-Inside"=#0000FF150 appearances in Super League games only (regular season and play-offs combined total)...'"
Agreed.
Kirke's Leeds figures in All Comps reads:
Played 56 + 117 (+1 DNP), Tries 10, Points 40
Quote ="A-Fire-Inside"JP did indeed play 207 games for Bradford, but I reckon yesterday was only his 207th for Leeds.
Do you agree on that figure tvoc?'"
I have last Sunday's appearance V Warrington as Peacock's 207th with Leeds, as I think we've discussed previously (probably via PM) If there is a discrepancy with the Leeds handbook total as referenced by gulfcoast_highwayman up to the end of 2012 I'm guessing it surrounds his non playing sub 'appearance' V Workington in the Challenge Cup tie at Headingley - 30th March 2007.
Extract from the YEP match report :
[iThe Super League side were able to give some of their fringe men and regular substitutes plenty of game time, try a few different combinations =#0000FFand had the luxury of leaving Great Britain skipper Jamie Peacock on the substitutes' bench throughout. Perhaps that was an opportunity missed to give some experience to one of their Academy prospects – front-rower Luke Burgess for example – but Rhinos coach Tony Smith showed respect to both the competition and the opposition by fielding a strong line-up. [/i
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1 Neil Fox (Wakefield/Bradford/Hull KR/York/Bramley/Huddersfield, 1956-79) 6,220
=#0000BF2 Jim Sullivan (Wigan, 1921-46) 6,022
3 Gus Risman (Salford/Workington/Batley, 1929-54) 4,050
=#0000BF4 John Woods (Leigh/Warrington/Bradford/Rochdale, 1976-92) 3,985
5 Cyril Kellett (Hull KR/Featherstone, 1956-74) 3,686
=#0000BF6 Kevin Sinfield (Leeds, 1997-present) 3,549
7 Kel Coslett (St Helens/Rochdale, 1962-79) 3,545
=#0000BF8 Mick Nanyn (Swinton/Rochdale/Whitehaven/Widnes/Oldham/Leigh, 1999-2011) 3,514
9 Lewis Jones (Leeds, 1952-64) 3,445
=#0000BF10 Steve Quinn (York/Featherstone, 1970-8icon_cool.gif 3,438
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Kevin Sinfield is still on the move up the All-Time points table having ended Leeds' 2012 campaign in 10th - started the current season in 9th he's just surpassed Kel Coslett and moved into 6th - and can realistically expect to be 5th before the season end, injuries permitting.
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Danny McGuire's second try V Castleford took him level with his former half-back partner Rob Burrow as they now both share third spot on Leeds' SL Era points table in All Comps:
1 - Kevin Sinfield 3,331 pts
2 - Iestyn Harris 1,455 pts
=3 - Rob Burrow 915 pts
=3 - Danny McGuire 915 pts
5 - Keith Senior 684 pts
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| Quote ="tvoc"Kevin Sinfield is still on the move up the All-Time points table having ended Leeds' 2012 campaign in 10th - started the current season in 9th he's just surpassed Kel Coslett and moved into 6th - and can realistically expect to be 5th before the season end, injuries permitting.
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Back at Leeds Sinfield requires 3 more two point goals to reach 1,500 for the club.
Danny McGuire's second try V Castleford took him level with his former half-back partner Rob Burrow as they now both share third spot on Leeds' SL Era points table in All Comps:
1 - Kevin Sinfield 3,331 pts
2 - Iestyn Harris 1,455 pts
=3 - Rob Burrow 915 pts
=3 - Danny McGuire 915 pts
5 - Keith Senior 684 pts'"
It will be interesting watching in the next 3 seasons who claims 3rd or even 2nd spot Maggs or Rob?
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"It will be interesting watching in the next 3 seasons who claims 3rd or even 2nd spot Maggs or Rob?'"
No chance on either of them surpassing Harris, they'd need over another 120 tries each. The race to reach the 1,000 mark first is on though, should take 22 tries (providing no goals are scored).....and think both will but i'll tip McGuire to get their first.
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"No chance on either of them surpassing Harris, they'd need over another 120 tries each. The race to reach the 1,000 mark first is on though, should take 22 tries (providing no goals are scored).....and think both will but i'll tip McGuire to get their first.'"
I realised that after I posted
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| Kevin Sinfield's next appearance will be his 450th for Leeds in All Comps.
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Kylie Leuluai's next appearance will be his 200th for Leeds in All Comps and he'll join his fellow antipodean Ali Lauitiiti in equal 11th as they share top overseas billing.
1 - Kevin Sinfield 449
2 - Rob Burrow 371
3 - Keith Senior 365
4 - Danny McGuire 309
5 - Jamie Jones-Buchanan 295
6 - Ryan Bailey 281
=7 - Francis Cummins 268
=7 - Barrie McDermott 268
9 - Matt Diskin 264
10- Jamie Peacock 210
11 - Ali Lauitiiti 200
12 - Kylie Leuluai 199
Leuluai will then be tracking down the Kiwi with the (all time) most Leeds appearances to his name - Bert Cook on 210.
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Rob Burrow with his next league outing will draw level with Keith Senior in 2nd spot behind Sinfield in terms of SL Regular Round appearances with Leeds.
1 - Kevin Sinfield 359
2 - Keith Senior 297
3 - Rob Burrow 296
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Ryan Hall needs one try to register 150 for the Headingley club in All Comps.
Leeds SL Era - Top Ten Try-Scorers:
1 - Danny McGuire 228
2 - Keith Senior 171
3 - Rob Burrow 153
4 - Ryan Hall 149
5 - Francis Cummins 136
6 - Mark Calderwood 106
7 - Scott Donald 92
8 - Brent Webb 87
9 - Chev Walker 86
10 - Kevin Sinfield 76
(are there any top ten lists at Leeds covering the SL Era which Sinfield isn't on)
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| Players seem to be playing longer these days.I wonder who was the oldest player to take the field for Leeds?John Holmes,Jim Brough,Fred Webster?
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| Quick question.
In this year's handbook there is a list of those who have captained Leeds in major finals (which they count as CC, WCC, GF or CH, JPS, YC, PR and Floodlit). The list is however incomplete, as far as I can tell, as it doesn't include the captains of our 1987/88 JPS team or the 1988 YC. My best guess is Tunks for the first and Crooks for the latter. Am I right?
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"Quick question.
In this year's handbook there is a list of those who have captained Leeds in major finals (which they count as CC, WCC, GF or CH, JPS, YC, PR and Floodlit). The list is however incomplete, as far as I can tell, as it doesn't include the captains of our 1987/88 JPS team or the 1988 YC. My best guess is Tunks for the first and Crooks for the latter. Am I right?'"
I think you are correct
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman" Am I right?'"
I agree with you and lionarmour87. Lee Crooks was definitely the Leeds captain at Elland Road when they picked up the Yorkshire Cup - despite one photo caption I recall at the time claiming 'Leeds skipper Garth Crooks.' I'm almost equally certain that Peter Tunks was installed as captain after his delayed arrival in '87 although I also recall Leeds handing the armband to Lee Crooks for Tunks' debut as Leeds faced Hull at Headingley in the opening round of the YC just a few months after his reluctant arrival at LS6 from the Boulevard.
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Quote ="lionarmour87"Players seem to be playing longer these days.I wonder who was the oldest player to take the field for Leeds?John Holmes,Jim Brough,Fred Webster?'"
I don't have such records but I imagine they would all feature somewhere close to the summit, probably with Gentleman Jim Brough sat at the top.
Another name I'd throw in from my own era would be Alan Smith who I think played his final game as a 39 year old - as a try-scorer on a wet Headingley afternoon V Widnes when he embarrassed one of the Myler clan watching the ball in the in-goal area as Smith pounced cat-like to score. A game I also remember for the inclusion of a few teenage prospects alongside the twenty-one season veteran - Leeds' only other try-scorer in the 10-5 win Mark Campbell and Des Armitage.
I was wondering how old the Jeffasaurus (Jeff Grayshon) might have been in his brief Leeds career but it turns out he was a mere 37 in his final game for the club - so alongside John Holmes in that regard.
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| Quote ="tvoc"I agree with you and lionarmour87. Lee Crooks was definitely the Leeds captain at Elland Road when they picked up the Yorkshire Cup - despite one photo caption I recall at the time claiming 'Leeds skipper Garth Crooks.' I'm almost equally certain that Peter Tunks was installed as captain after his delayed arrival in '87 although I also recall Leeds handing the armband to Lee Crooks for Tunks' debut as Leeds faced Hull at Headingley in the opening round of the YC just a few months after his reluctant arrival at LS6 from the Boulevard.
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Crooks went off with a dislocated shoulder in the SF IIRC - don't think he played in the final.
I have feeling it was tunks.
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| Quote ="finglas"Crooks went off with a dislocated shoulder in the SF IIRC - don't think he played in the final.
I have feeling it was tunks.'"
I'd forgotten that. He was distraught as it was his drinking arm.
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| Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"I'd forgotten that. He was distraught as it was his drinking arm.'"
I think i still have them two games (and the SF) on video. Must see if i can convert to DVD. If i get a chance i may look back at them to remember the years when we pined for any trophy.
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Before Friday, in terms of the SL Regular Rounds, there were three teams who had a better win to loss ratio when facing Leeds - now there are two (St Helens and Wigan) as the Leeds win at Odsal finally drew them level with their local rivals in this one aspect and did so for the first time during the SL Era.
As commented on yesterday on the Lowes thread, his playing retirement marked what appears to be a turning point in this fixture: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=549667&tsmp=1367917798&start=51
Quote ="tvoc" From a Leeds fans point of view it was almost as if we had to wait for Lowes to quit playing (as he did after the GF success of 2003) before we could begin to win some long overdue silverwear.'"
SL Regular Rounds - Leeds V Bradford - 1996 to 2003:
Pl 22, W 4, D 0, L 18, Pts For 400, Pts Agst 687, (Avg Scr 18 - 31)
And since Lowes quit playing
SL Regular Rounds - Leeds V Bradford - 2004 to 2013:
Pl 29, W 20, D 3, L 6, Pts For 780, Pts Agst 552, (Avg Scr 27 - 19)
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While Leeds have a better win to loss ratio against every other team they've faced in the SL Regular Rounds (bar St Helens and Wigan as stated above) there is one other team besides Bradford that has enjoyed parity with the Headingley club ........... [size=150Oldham[/size.
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As commented on yesterday on the Lowes thread, his playing retirement marked what appears to be a turning point in this fixture: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=549667&tsmp=1367917798&start=51
Quote ="tvoc" From a Leeds fans point of view it was almost as if we had to wait for Lowes to quit playing (as he did after the GF success of 2003) before we could begin to win some long overdue silverwear.'"
SL Regular Rounds - Leeds V Bradford - 1996 to 2003:
Pl 22, W 4, D 0, L 18, Pts For 400, Pts Agst 687, (Avg Scr 18 - 31)
And since Lowes quit playing
SL Regular Rounds - Leeds V Bradford - 2004 to 2013:
Pl 29, W 20, D 3, L 6, Pts For 780, Pts Agst 552, (Avg Scr 27 - 19)
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While Leeds have a better win to loss ratio against every other team they've faced in the SL Regular Rounds (bar St Helens and Wigan as stated above) there is one other team besides Bradford that has enjoyed parity with the Headingley club ........... [size=150Oldham[/size.
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| What are the St Helens' figures, TVOC? And how do they change if you add Grand Finals into the calculation?
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Quote ="tvoc"Before Friday, in terms of the SL Regular Rounds, there were three teams who had a better win to loss ratio when facing Leeds - now there are two (St Helens and Wigan) as the Leeds win at Odsal finally drew them level with their local rivals in this one aspect and did so for the first time during the SL Era.
As commented on yesterday on the Lowes thread, his playing retirement marked what appears to be a turning point in this fixture: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=549667&tsmp=1367917798&start=51
SL Regular Rounds - Leeds V Bradford - 1996 to 2003:
Pl 22, W 4, D 0, L 18, Pts For 400, Pts Agst 687, (Avg Scr 18 - 31)
And since Lowes quit playing
SL Regular Rounds - Leeds V Bradford - 2004 to 2013:
Pl 29, W 20, D 3, L 6, Pts For 780, Pts Agst 552, (Avg Scr 27 - 19)
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While Leeds have a better win to loss ratio against every other team they've faced in the SL Regular Rounds (bar St Helens and Wigan as stated above) there is one other team besides Bradford that has enjoyed parity with the Headingley club ........... [size=150Oldham[/size.'"
(Don't you just hate it when the page changes.)
Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"What are the St Helens' figures, TVOC? And how do they change if you add Grand Finals into the calculation?'"
If you add the SL Play-Off results to the Regular Rounds Leeds are still trailing St Helens but it's a little closer - add the Challenge Cup and it's a little worse again.
Leeds V St Helens
SL Regular Rounds -
Pl 41, W 18, D 0, L 23, Pts For 939, Pts Agst 1130, (Avg Scr 23 - 2icon_cool.gif
SL Play-Offs -
Pl 10, W 6, D 0, L 4, Pts For 232, Pts Agst 204, (Avg Scr 23 - 20)
Challenge Cup -
Pl 9, W 4, D 0, L 5, Pts For 201, Pts Agst 231, (Avg Scr 22 - 26)
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As commented on yesterday on the Lowes thread, his playing retirement marked what appears to be a turning point in this fixture: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=549667&tsmp=1367917798&start=51
SL Regular Rounds - Leeds V Bradford - 1996 to 2003:
Pl 22, W 4, D 0, L 18, Pts For 400, Pts Agst 687, (Avg Scr 18 - 31)
And since Lowes quit playing
SL Regular Rounds - Leeds V Bradford - 2004 to 2013:
Pl 29, W 20, D 3, L 6, Pts For 780, Pts Agst 552, (Avg Scr 27 - 19)
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While Leeds have a better win to loss ratio against every other team they've faced in the SL Regular Rounds (bar St Helens and Wigan as stated above) there is one other team besides Bradford that has enjoyed parity with the Headingley club ........... [size=150Oldham[/size.'"
(Don't you just hate it when the page changes.)
Quote ="gulfcoast_highwayman"What are the St Helens' figures, TVOC? And how do they change if you add Grand Finals into the calculation?'"
If you add the SL Play-Off results to the Regular Rounds Leeds are still trailing St Helens but it's a little closer - add the Challenge Cup and it's a little worse again.
Leeds V St Helens
SL Regular Rounds -
Pl 41, W 18, D 0, L 23, Pts For 939, Pts Agst 1130, (Avg Scr 23 - 2icon_cool.gif
SL Play-Offs -
Pl 10, W 6, D 0, L 4, Pts For 232, Pts Agst 204, (Avg Scr 23 - 20)
Challenge Cup -
Pl 9, W 4, D 0, L 5, Pts For 201, Pts Agst 231, (Avg Scr 22 - 26)
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| With thanks to =#0000FFA-Fire-Inside we have the following : (As referenced incorrectly by Eddie Hemmings at the Bradford game.)
=#0000FFDanny McGuire needs three tries to reach 250 for his career.
McGuire has touched down 229 times for Leeds since 2001, and has also scored representative tries for Great Britain (5 Test & 2 Non-Test, 2004 & 2006-2007), England (4, 2008-2009), England 'A' (2, 2002-2003) and England Under-21s (5, 2001).
As well as tries scored, McGuire has kicked one goal for Great Britain (2006 Tri-Nations, against New Zealand) and three field goals for Leeds, leaving him needing seven points for a career total of 1,000.
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Ryan Hall Needs 1 try for 150 for Leeds in All Comps while Kallum Watkins needs 1 for 50.
Leeds' SL Era Top Try-Scorers:
1 - Danny McGuire 229
2 - Keith Senior 171
3 - Rob Burrow 153
4 - Ryan Hall 149
5 - Francis Cummins 136 (188 Leeds total - including pre SL career)
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18 - Andy Hay 50
19 - Kallum Watkins 49
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| Each of our players from one to seven (positionally) scored a try yesterday. When did that last happen?
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| From a comment made on SKY - it appears the last (and possibly only previous) time it has happened in SL was the 8th August 1999 when Wigan defeated Huddersfield at the McAlpine Stadium 60 points to 10.
Wigan's backs lined up :
Kris Radlinski
Jason Robinson, Gary Connolly, Danny Moore, Paul Johnson
Greg Florimo, Tony Smith
All the above scored a try each bar Smith who bagged a brace.
(Gavin Clinch came off the bench and also scored a try.)
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| Quote ="tvoc"(Gavin Clinch came off the bench and also scored a try.)'"
A one-on-one ball steal under the sticks no doubt.
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