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| When Galloway remembers hes not allowed to tackle around the head he's actually one of our better middle defenders but it's the 2 or 3 pens a game which put too much issue on our line
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| The pens seem lazy with him as well, especially as he'll pull off at leat one textbook tackle (tonight was one on Roby I think that just cut him down) a game. Just needs to bend his back.
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| Better performance this week and pleasingly the attack is better.
I've criticised Burrow so far this season but the last 2 games he's been brilliant. Honourable mentions for Handley, Lilley, Garbutt, Galloway, Singleton and JJB and there's others I've missed I'm sure.
Not saying everything's great but markedly better in my opinion.
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| Defence in that middle unit is an absolute shambles, seemingly irrespective of personnel. Without Ward and Ferres we must have the slowest and least mobile bunch of forwards in SL. Any time the opposition puts any pace or changes of direction into the game we simply can't cope.
Improved a bit when Mullally and Singleton on the field, but Baldwinson has to get a go next week. He can't possibly be any worse. We seem to have acquired a winter rugby pack for a summer game. We don't have an LMS, a Bateman - the sort of athletic back rowers who can cover the ground defensively, but can also use their footwork to leave defenders grabbing.
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| We conceded 38 points. That's not "good".
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| Quote ="Biff Tannen"Makes me laugh how the SKY team are drooling over the game like its an absolute classic of the SL era.'"
Great game to watch - ball being thrown around, some great attacking moves - much rather watch an unstructured game like this than defensive bore-fest
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Great game to watch - ball being thrown around, some great attacking moves - much rather watch an unstructured game like this than defensive bore-fest'"
Same here. I enjoy a good high intensity defensive game too but it's been a while since we've seen the ball thrown around like that by both teams.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Defence in that middle unit is an absolute shambles, seemingly irrespective of personnel. Without Ward and Ferres we must have the slowest and least mobile bunch of forwards in SL. Any time the opposition puts any pace or changes of direction into the game we simply can't cope.
Improved a bit when Mullally and Singleton on the field, but Baldwinson has to get a go next week. He can't possibly be any worse. We seem to have acquired a winter rugby pack for a summer game. We don't have an LMS, a Bateman - the sort of athletic back rowers who can cover the ground defensively, but can also use their footwork to leave defenders grabbing.'"
Truly awful up the middle. JJB seemed to be responsible for tackling everyone running between Watkins and Keinhorst.
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| Quote ="DHM"Truly awful up the middle. JJB seemed to be responsible for tackling everyone running between Watkins and Keinhorst.'"
Summed up for Fages second try, when Galloway had a clean shot at Luke Walsh but fell off the tackle.
There seems to be a disconnect between the middle four and the edges as well, big gaps on our own line between the prop/hooker/loose and the edge second rower. Players drifting out watching runners rather than defending from the inside out, Ablett guilty of that a couple of times early on.
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| Quote ="Big Jim Slade"At least attacking wise that was closer to what we're capable of.
To come that close, away from home, when we've lost Zak (our single most important player now IMO) for the last half hour, no Ablett, no Delaney and if the ref had had the balls to sin bin Amor or if we'd had a little bit of luck with the bounce of the ball we could have won - that's a notable change from being outplayed by Hull Kr and Salford. Yes, our defence around the ruck is dreadful, but by and large our scrambling defence is still pretty good.
When you think that we were missing 4 of our first choice back 7 (5 by the end) then to score that many points bodes very well. Our best defence has always been the potency of our attack, and that looks to be on it's way back. Personally I have renewed hope.'"
Why would the ref sin bin Amor?
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| I thought keinhorst was outstanding, but was annoyed we only showed some aggression when Hardaker was injured, on paper wehave a good pack but we get bossed every game!
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Summed up for Fages second try, when Galloway had a clean shot at Luke Walsh but fell off the tackle.
There seems to be a disconnect between the middle four and the edges as well, big gaps on our own line between the prop/hooker/loose and the edge second rower. Players drifting out watching runners rather than defending from the inside out, Ablett guilty of that a couple of times early on.'"
Ablett was lead footed early on, but no way he was fit at the start of the match.
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| Quote ="Saddened!"Why would the ref sin bin Amor?'"
For holding back a Leeds player during a break. I'd have to see it again to see if it was a definite sin bin but certainly had potential to be.
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| Quote ="Him"For holding back a Leeds player during a break. I'd have to see it again to see if it was a definite sin bin but certainly had potential to be.'"
Didn't think so. Thought Bentham got all the important stuff right. I did think Saints should have had a try when Lilley fumbled on our line as well. Couldn't really see why that wasn't a try.
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| Quote ="DHM"Didn't think so. Thought Bentham got all the important stuff right. I did think Saints should have had a try when Lilley fumbled on our line as well. Couldn't really see why that wasn't a try.'"
I thought there were three possible outcomes to that, none of which were a scrum to saints. It should have been a try, because he lost the ball, a penalty to Leeds, for forcing him in goal after the tackle was complete, or a drop out.
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| Quote ="Barrie's Glass Eye"I thought there were three possible outcomes to that, none of which were a scrum to saints. It should have been a try, because he lost the ball, a penalty to Leeds, for forcing him in goal after the tackle was complete, or a drop out.'" Yeah. That was the break we needed. Up until then it looked like it could have been 60
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| Quote ="The Eagle"Yeah. That was the break we needed. Up until then it looked like it could have been 60'"
Yep. Thought we could have crumbled and been really hammered at that point. Big credit to some of the guys who refused to give it up. Helped by Saints being a bit $h1t as well defensively.
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| Yeah that interference by Amor looked really poor -I think he would have been clear for Burrow to pass to and go under the posts but three times Amor tugged him back as he was getting away.
It's hard to assess Falloon as like Ablett and Delaney he is being chucked out there not fully fit. Whether that's the best option or not for all three of them I don't know but we're desperate for experienced players out there.
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| Said after Salford I would stay off the away games due to the crap served up each week. Gave in last night for my son, and glad I did. I don't mind losing when we throw the ball around like that. At least entertainment was a plenty.
Thought Galloway, Garbutt, Keinhorst, and Handley were outstanding. All of the players never gave up, just some were more costly than others, but none could be said as poor. Lilley looks so so good and we just need to build that side around him. I felt sorry for Sutcliffe last night, he came on worked hard, an absolute class pass, some good running and backing up, then with Hardaker injured, forced into more work and a position not for him. And more importantly Lilley looked at his best whilst he was around him.
In the end I think we just deserved that and would have had it, had the ref played to the rules, or Golding had kicked ahead for Watkins instead of passing, or we had not blown precious time when blowing the free play on the extra six. But then again you can also look back at the number of costly errors by certain players that put us in that position.
Happy to watch that every week though, and would gladly persevere with more youngsters and lose if it's like that.
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| Falloon isn't the standard we require for a key position - if we are bring players over from the NRL they need to be of the highest standard possible. Falloon just looks like a desperate gap-filler to me. Neither his defence of ball skills are anything to right home about.
Hopefully next season GH has something better in mind
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| Clear professional foul by Amor on Burrow yet clearly missed
Baldwinson must be really fed up as to how Galloway has a place in the matchday squad above him
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Said after Salford I would stay off the away games due to the crap served up each week. Gave in last night for my son, and glad I did. I don't mind losing when we throw the ball around like that. At least entertainment was a plenty.
Thought Galloway, Garbutt, Keinhorst, and Handley were outstanding. All of the players never gave up, just some were more costly than others, but none could be said as poor. Lilley looks so so good and we just need to build that side around him. I felt sorry for Sutcliffe last night, he came on worked hard, an absolute class pass, some good running and backing up, then with Hardaker injured, forced into more work and a position not for him. And more importantly Lilley looked at his best whilst he was around him.
In the end I think we just deserved that and would have had it, had the ref played to the rules, or Golding had kicked ahead for Watkins instead of passing, or we had not blown precious time when blowing the free play on the extra six. But then again you can also look back at the number of costly errors by certain players that put us in that position.
Happy to watch that every week though, and would gladly persevere with more youngsters and lose if it's like that.'"
Handley will be very unlucky if he gets dropped to accommodate either Hall or Briscoe - neither of them deserve their place back on the form they showed prior to their injuries. If I recall Lilley was involved three times in the move that lead to one of Keinhorst's trys, I agree re. Sutcliffe was really getting into the game when he was moved to FB
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| Quote ="craigizzard"Fair enough. Sutcliffe in for Delaney if he literally can't get onto the pitch without a mobility scooter.'"
Doesn't the Geneva Convention forbid the torture of rugby players? Asking Delaney to try and play every week is practically a war crime.
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| Quote ="DHM"Doesn't the Geneva Convention forbid the torture of rugby players? Asking Delaney to try and play every week is practically a war crime.'"
Its that warrior mentality - all brawn no brains!!
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Handley will be very unlucky if he gets dropped to accommodate either Hall or Briscoe - neither of them deserve their place back on the form they showed prior to their injuries. If I recall Lilley was involved three times in the move that lead to one of Keinhorst's trys, I agree re. Sutcliffe was really getting into the game when he was moved to FB'"
Handley has got better and better each week, and I too would not put either ahead of him now. He actually looks better playing on the left though.
What it showed with Sutcliffe, like last season, is that an open flowing game with fast movement, he can stand out and really play a part in great link play. Where he struggles, and where unfortunately for him what top teams need, is what happens in tight games with tight defences. But it was a shame for him last night, that having had such a poor season, he really was showing what talent he has last night and to get his confidence back. I can't see that those attempted tackles at fullback would have helped his confidence, but he needs to concentrate on the good he did with the ball prior to that, as he was only covering for forced injury.
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