Any news on injury front for Friday nights game Iv got everything crossed archurch not to be in squad

Going by Pete Smiths twitter it seems Moon & Ferres are the closest to returning but maybe not this week.
I expect us to be unchanged v ST's but id drop Achurch bring in Bsldwinson & play Singo at 13.

I'd keep JJB at 13 if at all possible. Defending in the middle means he can take our line up quickly, something you can't always do defending at 2nd row

Injuries or not if Achurch is ever allowed to pull on a Leeds 1st grade shirt again after his display V Hull than it will almost beggar belief. At least when you know you are down to twelve defenders you can make adjustments.

Sorry but Achurch was not our worst performer on Friday night. The critisism of him is going well out of proportion. Is he value for money? hell no at the rumours. But he was not the worst on Friday, and he was one of the better the week before.

Agree with this. Don't think he was particularly bad on Friday, nor was he particularly good. Didn't think anyone was that bad on Friday to be honest.

He was badly at fault for two of their tries, but aside from that did ok

Not defending Achurch on this point as I haven't seen their tries again, but I think our main problems in defence come from getting killed at the play the ball. Often leaving us scrabbling in defence.

Yes we have regularly been allowing opposition sides to quick PTBs before our markers are set.

And we have yet to see a game this season where we dont concede at least one try within our own 20 from someone allowing that quick play of the ball, the dummy half shipping a pass inside and a simple, untouched, stroll over try conceded.

Green try - Singleton goes up to take Watts. Achurch identifies Green as being his man, points but then just stops and leaves a huge hole for Watts to put on the little tip on play. Wasn't a mis-read, wasn't a scattered defensive line, he just looked like he took a look at Chris Green and decided he didn't fancy it.

Yeaman try - Pritchard takes the offload on half-way, gets on the outside of Mullally while Achurch next to him just stands and watches. Our 19 year old winger scrambles back to bring him down, Hull score off the next play with the kick.

There are times when he gets a big man running straight at him where he looks like he just doesn't want to take the contact. Whether that's a confidence issue or a problem with previous injuries playing on his mind I don't know, but a big forward who doesn't like contact is no use to anyone.

Ablett does that very same thing plenty of times in a game. Hence why I think Achurch is coming in for over the top critisism in comparison to others.

Ablett puts a lot more into the positive column to counteract the occasional negative. Not sure Achurch does the same.

Achurch is one of the biggest wastes of space ever to pull on Rhinos jersey - he is useless. He has the physique to be a strong running 2nd rower, but he has the heart & guts of a pea.
He is spineless , as we have seen on numerous occasions - he should no longer be anywhere the first team squad, no matte how many injuries we have.
You will get more effort from a kid playing 15/20 minutes than you will from this spineless, injury prone Aussie.
Have I made my point ????

I cannot ever remember seeing a Leeds player hide as effectively as Achurch did in his last 20 minutes on the pitch last week, and thats after his earlier defensive "non efforts" offset all his previous defensive work.

He stood in the centre and on the wing. He expertly positioned himself behind the play the ball and with other attackers between him and the ball to avoid receiving it. When he did receive it he offloaded it like a frightened child in the playground. At one stage instead of heading North/South to get back into the defensive line he set off towards the bench as if begging to come off.

I suppose it was equally remarkable that it took so long for him to be hauled off, and that it considered tactically wise to leave an unused player on the bench; when that player would have contributed more in those 20 minutes by simply standing in the defensive line where you would expect a forward to stand.

Achurch was completely gutless on Friday.

The criticism of display has not gone far enough.

Agreed. Trying to compare him to Ablett is laughable. Granted Ablett has been at fault for tries in his time, much like JJB, but not through bottling it like Achurch.

Someone said you can't be surprised if he's not determined to bust a gut for the club with the way things have gone and us wanting (and getting) rid of him. But hell surely he should be viewing any limited chances he gets this year as a chance to put himself in the shop window so to speak for next year and other clubs. Even Bailey managed to up his performance a bit when it was nearer contract expiring time.

A travesty that Achurch has a Challenge Cup winners medal and the far more deserving Keinhorst missed out on one. (I know Keinhorst got a GF ring later but I imagine that gutless lump got one of the extra rings too).

Out of curiosity who do you think played worse than Achurch on Friday?

It isn't really relevent who played worse, as Achurch wasn't the worst, and therefore I would just be deemed as having a go at others. But to be fair I will answer, and IMO Sutcliffe and Watkins performances were worse. I am in full agreement on the errors Achurch made, but that just completely overlooks the good stuff he did do, and had someone like JJB for example done his same stats there would be praise rather than over the top critisism.

Like I said, is he value for money, no he isn't. Do I think it is worth perservering with him, no I don't. But he certainly is not the player portrayed on here either, just the scapegoat chosen for those who do not want to critisize other players.

And for the record, there was no comparison with Ablett above, it was a statement based on a particular example of Achurch on Friday, as tackle watching, something Ablett does often, and therefore used as an example. I could have used other players also, who do the same at times.

No fan of Achurch and he wouldn't be in my team but as said nowhere near the worst this season and "gutless" description way OTT.

He's been paid by Leeds for 4 years, which if truth be told, has been a holiday for him.

I've always liked the look of Achurch and felt that over the last few seasons he's often shown glimpses of promise as a wide-running second-rower. I'm not sure whether he's just been unlucky with injuries and McDermott's selection policy in which he is preferred as a prop forward, or whether he's simply lacked the effort and heart to succeed at Leeds. His deficiencies have certainly been more noticeable in recent games, but I can't also help noticing that the real glut of criticism against him has come now that it has been confirmed he won't be staying at Leeds. Yes, I'm aware that many people have criticised him for a while now.

Regarding the others, I agree with Gotcha that Sutcliffe and Watkins have been poor recently.

The problem with Watkins is that he'll always be picked for Leeds - especially with the current injury situation, AND he doesn't have a great deal of added responsibility on him, unlike say, Hardaker, who has become much more important to the team since his move from centre. Watkins needs to look in the mirror and ask himself whether he is content becoming another Ryan Atkins or Leroy Cudjoe who is capable of occasional moments of brilliance or try-scoring but just as likely to have a total nightmare or be anonymous. Right now we need him to step up into the mould of someone like Jamie Lyon or even a Brad Godden... Someone tough who can produce results (however ugly) when the team need it.

As for Sutcliffe, he needs to focus on the basics to ensure his first team place is cemented. At the moment our best halves combination looks like being McGuire and Lilley. We might have to look again at Stevie Ward in the halves if Sutcliffe can't develop further. We need more than a show-pony who produces occasional cameos, but he also ought to be given time in light of his past injuries and the complexity of his intended role.

Moon for Cameron Smith the only change to the 19.

If he's fit, you'd expect he slots straight back into the left centre. Hopefully that doesn't mean Keinhorst joins Baldwinson in missing out, although I suspect it will unless Delaney drops out following his stinger on Friday.

Delaney didn't sound too confident in the Yep. If Moon is fit he goes into the backline and Keinhorst switches to backrow.

Baldwinson should come in for Achurch, for no other reason than we gain nothing from giving Achurch games at this point. You give Baldwinson games he proves he can be a long term part of the squad.

It will be a disgraceful selection if Delaney or Achurch are selected over Keinhorst. JJB needs to play loose forward. We need to pray that he stays fit until Ward is back