Granted the picture doesn't look great.

But do what I then did and watch the video which will always be a better indicator than a still photo. He catches the eye but not a deliberate attempt IMO. Realistically you could get dozens of pictures post games of dodgy looking things happening in the tackle.

What minute of the game did it happen?

For mine, the picture looks bad, but it is a fraction of a second frozen. The video, to me tells a totally different story. Contact looks to be made, but only for an instant. No case to answer.

Not with people like you who only believe what their own agenda suits.

54 mins in. I do think it's why Hill drops the ball as in the reply from the other side you can just see him hold his hand to his eye as he is falling.

Think whilst looking note the real time shot of it, it so quick and realise the slow motion makes it looks more. I genuinely think he's reached under Hill's arm to try dislodge the ball and instead ended up in Hill face. Note Hill's head is very very low down at the point of contact, roughly where you could expect the ball to be but McGuire is pulling him downwards from the other side.

For me, he does get contact in the eye, but unintentional and one of those things that happen. Like I said you got to consider the real speed it happened and it's not like he's had a feel around for Hill's face and he does remove his hand quite quickly.

I've been poked in the eye numerous times playing both rugby and football. I've never been gouged and, looking at the actual video, neither has Chris Hill.

As with the video editors and lipreaders, the amateur photographers should take their skills to the Kennedy assassination forums where their skills will be more appreciated.

Just left Leigh after crappy Cas Widnes match, free corporate. Was speaking with one of BBC guys, who told me about this. Said it was 55th minute, but apparently eye injury happened earlier in game.

I'll watch it again now.

Play in many Challenge Cup Semis during your illustrious career did you? Love how beer-monsters equate their "careers" to real sportsmen. Unfortunate accident but that's what happens in REAL games. I see some of the clowns who made fools of themselves over the Sir Kev incident are back.
Looking forward to a great day out at Wembley with our Cas cousins!

Haha when have I tried to equate my career to anything?
I made reference to having played the game because I understand tackling technique and the same technique is coached from amateur level to Super League. So it's completely irrelevant that this happened in a Challenge cup semi.

I've just watched it on the iplayer and he is nowhere near the ball. It looks deliberate to me.

I didn't say he ended up near the ball, but that he was searching for the ball. Even on the still picture you should note just how low down Hill's head is, it's level with Hardaker hip so very conceivable the ball was what he was hoping to get......considering to he can't see from his angle where the ball is but would be around the region his hand swings for.

The sooner rugby players start suing internet trolls for defamation the better.

The BBC guy at the match said it was watched by the video ref, and it was watched after the match after comments, and said his finger never went close to the eye, but was pulling the head guard.

I haven't seen, so can only comment on what the media guy said. But would presume if video ref saw it, at least something would be on report if a doubt.

For gods sake the injury below his eye was a different incident , maybe your just trying to deflect from being well beaten in a semi final . Saying that Y.G . some of your previous posts on different forums put you in a league along with sir aidrian morley poster and thats not a good place to be .

They were over the try line. Hardaker will have been wanting to hold the ball up to prevent a try. You think that instead of trying to prevent the ball from being grounded Hardaker instead decided to stick his finger in Hill's eye so that he'd drop the ball, and that he managed to pull off that perfectly?

You probably do. But it says far more about you than it does about the incident.

Ok numpty i'll bite the slow mo replay shows his hand come up and make contact with the eye for a split second all in the motion of making the tackle you are talking utter bollox its purely accidental.
Toddle off!

There were, what, five slo-mo replays of it and neither the commentators or video ref saw a thing worth commenting on. But Craig Galloway photography knows different.

plays for leeds.... no case to answer !!!!

I'm a numpty because I have a different opinion to you? That's very small-minded. Why can't people have an opinion and debate said opinions without name-calling and childish remarks?

Haha. Getting sued for having an opinion? I've heard it all now.

wow, a real witch hunt going on here.

Until i hear Chris Hill come out and make a claim of a gouge (which doesn't appear to be the case) or the RFL say they are looking into it then its a non issue to me and this thread should be deleted.

I respond to posters as I find them there is not one angle either in slow mo or at full speed that shows it was a deliberate gouge but because some amateur photographer caught a well timed still there's faux uproar.
If you want reasonable debate bring it to the table otherwise get yerself round to J. Monaghans house with a box set of the Dog rescuers!

My reasonable debate is simply that from the footage I have seen, it was a deliberate gouge from Hardaker. That doesn't make me a troll or a numpty, just simply someone with an opinion that won't be popular amongst Leeds fans.

Getting sued for distributing an opinion that can cause serious harm to someone's reputation is not a new thing. There can be an "honest opinion" defence but I'm not sure you'd qualify.