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| Could be facing another long ban by the looks of this...
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| Are you saying he's deliberately trying to gouge a player's eye?
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| Quote ="loiner81"Are you saying he's deliberately trying to gouge a player's eye?'"
That's not for me to decide.
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| rubbish. these things happen in games. mischief making
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"That's not for me to decide.'"
Pathetic
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| Quote ="tad rhino"rubbish. these things happen in games. mischief making'"
Not sure about that Tad. That photographic evidence looks pretty damning and eye gouging is seen as pretty serious foul play in both codes. There is no reason for Zak to have his fingers where he has and if RFL pick up on this I can see it being season over for Zak
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| If his arm is trapped under Hill's, I'm not sure where you expect his hand to be?
It can't magically disappear off the end of his wrist.
Frankly "Craig Galloway Photography" has done himself very little credit putting that montage together.
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| I've played rugby 20 years and I've never made a tackle with my middle finger extended like that! If it is just an accident then it's a strange technique.
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| the pictures are taken at different times. who's to say that caused the injury?
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"If his arm is trapped under Hill's, I'm not sure where you expect his hand to be?
It can't magically disappear off the end of his wrist.
Frankly "Craig Galloway Photography" has done himself very little credit putting that montage together.'"
Not in Hill's eye
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| Quote ="Rommel"Not in Hill's eye
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Yeah, because he can clearly see where Hill's eye is, right through the back of his turned head. Go troll elsewhere, idiot.
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Yeah, because he can clearly see where Hill's eye is, right through the back of his turned head. Go troll elsewhere, idiot.'"
So if you stood behind someone you wouldn't be able to locate his eye with your finger? What a ridiculous comment.
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| the new Witch hunt has also started on trlrfs too
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| Getting accidentally caught under the eye is not the same as gouging. HTH.
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"the new Witch hunt has also started on trlrfs too'"
BURN HIM
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| Absolutely NO PROOF that the swollen eye was due to that tackle. $hit stirring of the highest order by $hithouse supporters.
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| Quote ="Norman Stanley Fletcher"Absolutely NO PROOF that the swollen eye was due to that tackle. $hit stirring of the highest order by $hithouse supporters.'"
Not at all. I was merely putting it out there and seeing what people made of it.
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| Match review panel only has access to video. They don't consider photography so this photo proves nothing
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"Not at all. I was merely putting it out there and seeing what people made of it.'"
no you didn't you did it for the same reason that it is being done on the other forum
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| Quote ="lionarmour87"no you didn't you did it for the same reason that it is being done on the other forum'"
You can make assumptions about me all you like but I did it to see what you all made of it and because I hadn't seen it mentioned already.
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| Also interesting one of the reactions on your post on the warrington forum which you dont appear to have answered. Take a look at the position of Zaks head. To gouge a player you'd need to look where your hand is, he's looking in a completely different direction
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| Quote ="bewildered"Also interesting one of the reactions on your post on the warrington forum which you dont appear to have answered. Take a look at the position of Zaks head. To gouge a player you'd need to look where your hand is, he's looking in a completely different direction'"
I disagree. I could stand behind someone and quite easily locate his eye with my finger. You don't have to be looking at him; that's quite naive of you.
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"Not at all. I was merely putting it out there and seeing what people made of it.'"
That's why you started the thread with "he could be looking at a long ban"
Looking at the video, I think he reaches around trying to hit and dislodge the ball but ends up finding the face of Hill.
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| Quote ="The Yellow Giraffe"I disagree. I could stand behind someone and quite easily locate his eye with my finger. You don't have to be looking at him; that's quite naive of you.'"
Oh ok, I'm just naive. of course why didn't I see that tsk
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| Quote ="ThePrinter"That's why you started the thread with "he could be looking at a long ban"
Looking at the video, I think he reaches around trying to hit and dislodge the ball but ends up finding the face of Hill.'"
Gouging as an offence carries an E-F punishment range, and makes no mention of whether it's deliberate or not (at least according to the operational rules).
Whether or not it's intentional his middle finger is [iapparently[/i extending to find the eye socket, which could land him in hot water! especially after his recent past.
If the injury is from this incident (and I didn't notice it at the time and couldn't say one way or the other) it would imply pressure was exerted on the eye, which would look very bad and further damn him. It means he would be facing a minimum of a dangerous contact charge imo.
In his defence, most players would of screamed and shouted about a gouge, especially if it led to a knock on (which this did I believe) so if no complaint was made then it works in Hardakers favour.
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