There's also little doubt if catalan dragons,huddersfield giants and more recently hull fc had turned up in their respective cup finals they'd all have a challenge cup in their cabinet after making you "choke" in their finals aswell!!

This is a top thread, you wouldnt find this kind of.. erm.. "Banter" on the "Mighty S" boards with its clinical censoring of anything slightly anti saints, kudos to you all and viva les mods.

Using the usual measures of Championships, Challenge Cups, Premierships, RT/JP, Floodlit, Lancashire, Yorkshire and World Club Championships:

Wigan have won 70 Trophies
St Helens have won 44
Leeds have won 41
and
Bradford have won 34

Rather than chasing the much more successful Wigan you'd be better served trying to hang onto 2nd.

Are hubcaps, lazenby trophies and tetleys festive challenges and other such important trophies included?

That's the pinnicle in st.helens!!

Leeds catch Saints ? Even during your most successful period of the last 2 years your sole extra trophy is one WCC and we aren't even counting the hubcap which a piece of silverware you still get regardless of meaning little.

Once normal service is resumed, 26 trophies can be knocked off in 15/20 years.

Do you want me to add the 'hubcaps' to Wigan's lead over St Helens then?

I assumed you wouldn't like that.

All what ? One of them is it ?

Hardly as we're talking trophies won over the game's history here rather than the last 13 seasons worth.

Has there been a Play Off system before ? I would assume that the Championships that Wigan have won are their 'hubcaps' ?

Should I be surprised a Saints fan doesn't know the history of the game?

I can't recall a Play Off system earlier, certainly not my lifetime anyhow.

Interesting either way.

The first past the post system of deciding the league champions was but a brief interlude in the history of RL, lasting approximately 25 years in the late 20th century.

Is that like deja vu!?

You've done well lad. I never thought it possible you could make yourself look more stupid than you usually do but good for you.

Has there been a playoff system before?

Depends how old you are. About the mid-70s I believe the previous first past the post system was brought in. Not in my life time either, but I still know it happened.

Dear me old boy, dear me.

At the whinos speccies on here.

*whoop whoop* at the Saints speccies.

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Durgh, was there Rugby League played before 1996? D'urgh did we decide the champions by a playoff before 1998?

You've demonstrated your knowledge of RL. If we didn't know to dismiss your wibble wibble before now we certainly do after this brain fart.

What an entertaining thread.

Its a pity that 99% of threads on this whole forum decline into a tit-for-tat, waste of bandwidth.

Much respect to Canyoubelieveit for trying to spark a decent debate, but alas, as with the lion's share of RLFANS threads, this one was doomed from the word go.

The reason there is "hatred" between Saints and Leeds (i use the term "hatred" sparingly, as i very much doubt there is any hate at all, just dislike), is the supporters' desire for a close rival, who will not be a dead cert win/loss and the good feeling/bragging rights that come with a victory over said team.

It isn't about "hating" the other team, its about gaining as much gratification from your own team as possible, and if there is no close rival, then winning any game or trophy loses a bit of that sought-after magic, as there really is nobody to brag to.

Good luck tonight for the game boys, though i don't think you'll need it and will trample us convincingly.

Safe journey both ways (though i'd imagine a lot of you lot are here already or are on the way over).

No its' not

Did i come across quite sensible there? Don't know where it came from really.


Have a good'un.

I think we're just great rivals at the moment. We hate you for beating us twice in the GF in spite of our success and we really want to tonk you in a GF this time around just to put you back in your place! But that's just rivalry. I personally don't hate anyone but I hate the idea of you guys getting one up on us! That's a good thing in sport I reckon. It helps motivate the supporters and the team. I hope!

We won't be tonking you tonight though, that's for sure! Whether we'll beat you I don't know. We hadn't got our act together as at the Salford game. Maybe tonight is the night ...

Meanwhile, I hope everyone has a safe journey over and enjoys themselves tonight in our decrepit old ground.