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| Quote ="Gotcha"Last week was a knock on, I was sat right above it. You would have to be an idiot not to see it. It was knocked out of his hands in a forward motion.
I saw the knock on today, I have already said that. It was on the half way line, and eye off ball looking at player. Others knocked on also, including his fellow winger twice, resulting in one try conceded and nearly another.
Yet to you, only one player is critisized. That is pretty sad to be honest.'"
Never a knock - you need to open your eyes, also note Briscoe's reaction - if it had been knocked on he would have been complaining he wasn't I would suggest your favouritism was once again miss placed.
You only mentioned the knock on today after somebody else pointed it out to you!!
What is sad is your inability to see the failings of certain players whilst focussing on those of the players you don't hold in such favour.
He and Watkins would have had a 2 on 1 on Evans if Briscoe could have caught a simple pass - he couldn't and you failed to see it - that is pretty sad would you not agree?
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| he should have caught it but he had a defender in front of him mate. he wouldn't have got far
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| A great team performance, one of the best of the year and a fantastic result that takes us back to Wembley
Why don't we just enjoy it instead of the petty squabbling
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| Quote ="tad rhino"he should have caught it but he had a defender in front of him mate. he wouldn't have got far'"
All Watkins had to do was support and they had a 2 on 1 on Evans - sadly the knock on makes it all conjecture
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| Quote ="tad rhino"he should have caught it but he had a defender in front of him mate. he wouldn't have got far'"
It's no good tad. Sal obviously has an agenda against Briscoe, making things up as he goes along. A bit like his agenda for years on Sinfield. No point educating these folk.
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| it does but like i said, name a player who hasn't done the same
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| Quote ="Gotcha"It's no good tad. Sal obviously has an agenda against Briscoe, making things up as he goes along. A bit like his agenda for years on Sinfield. No point educating these folk.'"
i'm mates with both of you and not taking sides
just giving my opinion
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| Quote ="tad rhino"i'm mates with both of you and not taking sides
just giving my opinion'"
Don't worry, I understand that. I am unsure on why this making up critisism of a player that's all.
Like I started off with on this thread, why is one player, or now seems several, excused , but another barracked. Seems very unjust.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"It's no good tad. Sal obviously has an agenda against Briscoe, making things up as he goes along. A bit like his agenda for years on Sinfield. No point educating these folk.'"
Well I have not got an agenda against Tom Briscoe, I think he is a quality winger.His form has been disappointing the last few games but that maybe down to 1st season syndrome, just give him time to bed in.For what its worth I think his best form is when he is on the left wing.We have 2 quality left wingers.Hall playing for England has proved he is also a quality right winger ask Billy Slater.But I think Hall does perform better on the left wing.
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| Quote ="Tony Soprano"A great team performance, one of the best of the year and a fantastic result that takes us back to Wembley
Why don't we just enjoy it instead of the petty squabbling'"
Great Team Performance Indeed. And the petty squabling is pathetic IMHO.
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| Anyone who has played the game and stood out on the wing will already know how isolating it can feel and how, compared to those playing in the middle of the park, every error is magnified hugely.
Both Briscoe and Hall are class wingers and played a huge part in our victory today.
Personally I admire Briscoe for sticking it out and was delighted to see him rewarded with the match winning try. Plaudits to BMc as well.
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| Briscoe did fine. Stop knocking the lad.he would be in my team every time
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| These threads are the worst threads. Hall 5 Makinson 2 bore bore boreeeee
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| God only knows how miserable some people will be if we win at Wembley. It seems like someone always has to be criticised. As a team we we're fantastic and the players left nothing on the pitch. I'm sure they won't be criticising each other.
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| Support an awesome team like the Manly sea eagles.
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| This is a message board it is about opinions - Gotcha and I have differing opinions about a few things is that not what these boards are about airing your opinions. It would be very dull if we all had the same opinion.
My view about yesterday was Leeds played well but Warrington were pretty poor for the most part.
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| Hall has constantly put in Superb performances over a long period and is miles better than Briscoe , and for Gotcha to say Hall would not have scored the try Briscoe scored yesterday is ridiculous . Briscoe was better than of late yesterday but still came up with 2 schoolboy errors although on one Watkins did pass too early and the other was part Hardakers fault , but you dont leave it to a prop forward in that situation .
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| Quote ="ploinerrhino"Hall has constantly put in Superb performances over a long period and is miles better than Briscoe , and for Gotcha to say Hall would not have scored the try Briscoe scored yesterday is ridiculous . Briscoe was better than of late yesterday but still came up with 2 schoolboy errors although on one Watkins did pass too early and the other was part Hardakers fault , but you dont leave it to a prop forward in that situation .'"
What I actually said was that Halls try, not many in the world would have scored including Briscoe. And that Briscoes try Hall would not have got, and I maintain that.
That try was scored firstly by the speed of reading the dropped ball, secondly getting down to it quick, thirdly the speed off the mark, and fourthly the intelligence of swapping hands to enable the hand off.
It is not a critisism of Hall to say he wouldn't have got it. Just certain parts of it he wouldn't have managed. I would bet money the speed of picking up the ball would have being the first failing.
Indeed on now seeing the BBC programme before the game speaking with the Leeds staff, I never realised Briscoe was the fastest player at the club. It was that speed off the mark that gave the player the opportunity to swap hands for the hand off. Without that the tackle was made yards earlier. Try scoring is not always simple.
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| I agree with Gotcha there - Hall would not have scored the try Briscoe did - he simply would not have been fast enough.
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| Hall + Briscoe is starting to remind me of Smith + Atkinson.
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| Personally I think Hall is more than capable of scoring that try, the ball bounced up nicely for him, Briscoe is quicker than Hall but Hall has gone that distance plenty of times and also has a very good hand-off
I dont think we have seen the very best of Briscoe in a leeds shirt just yet but I do think they are the best wing partnership in the league
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| Right - this is a message board where folk post their opinions.
If we all had the same opinion then there would be no need for this message board as we could safely assume that everyone's thoughts were the same.
If you think that having a different opinion is 'petty squabbling' then maybe you're in the wrong place.
For mine I don't think there is a winger in the game that could have successfully defended the Monaghan try. He'd timed his run and jump to perfection - Hall was almost stationary and had no chance against one of the best kick collectors in the game.
The kick was inch perfect, the catch was inch perfect - I don't think we should be berating Hall, more congratulating Monaghan.
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| FWIW, my twopennorth - I thought that Bridge very cleverly also went for the ball & nudged (legally?) Hall giving Monaghan an even clearer jump for the ball.
Secondly, unless the defence is able to put better pressure on the kicker then the defending winger will always struggle especially against someone as tall & good in the air as Monaghan.
We should give credit to the attacking side rather than berate the winger.
We've scored plenty similar tries ourselves on both flanks - then we tend to praise our wingers. No difference here.
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| Quote ="Old Feller"FWIW, my twopennorth - I thought that Bridge very cleverly also went for the ball & nudged (legally?) Hall giving Monaghan an even clearer jump for the ball.
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I'm not quite sure it was legal, but it's frustrating that Leeds (McGuire, and in the past Senior) seem to be the only team I've seen penalised for that sort of infringement when it's a tactic all teams employ.
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| Quote ="Fat Boy"Right - this is a message board where folk post their opinions.
If we all had the same opinion then there would be no need for this message board as we could safely assume that everyone's thoughts were the same.
If you think that having a different opinion is 'petty squabbling' then maybe you're in the wrong place.
For mine I don't think there is a winger in the game that could have successfully defended the Monaghan try. He'd timed his run and jump to perfection - Hall was almost stationary and had no chance against one of the best kick collectors in the game.
The kick was inch perfect, the catch was inch perfect - I don't think we should be berating Hall, more congratulating Monaghan.'"
Exactly...in all you state.
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