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| A World class try again, against a world class winger. Had a very good game but I feel he still could go up another gear to improve his overall game. Still the best winger on the pitch by a country mile.
Briscoe took his try very well.
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| Monaghan ridiculously good attacking those high kicks though. Hall's a better all round winger but Monaghan is as good as anyone I've ever seen in those situations.
Not wanting to be negative but up until his try I thought Briscoe was pretty shocking.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Monaghan ridiculously good attacking those high kicks though. Hall's a better all round winger but Monaghan is as good as anyone I've ever seen in those situations.
Not wanting to be negative but up until his try I thought Briscoe was pretty shocking.'"
On Briscoe you have to question whether he is truly worth his place in the side?
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Monaghan ridiculously good attacking those high kicks though. Hall's a better all round winger but Monaghan is as good as anyone I've ever seen in those situations.
Not wanting to be negative but up until his try I thought Briscoe was pretty shocking.'"
Agreed but (not wishing to be critical) I thought Joel Moon was pedestrian in helping him deal with the kick into the corner. Ryan didn’t have much opportunity with the same type of attacking kick towards the Wire try line. Was happy with the Team performance
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| Quote ="Dwayne Dibley"Agreed but (not wishing to be critical) I thought Joel Moon was pedestrian in helping him deal with the kick into the corner. Ryan didn’t have much opportunity with the same type of attacking kick towards the Wire try line. Was happy with the Team performance'"
I don't think there was much Hall could have done really, any winger would struggle in that position where they don't have the same running start the attacker does. What I do find annoying though is that Leeds rarely apply any kick pressure. You know what Warrington are going to do in that situation so put as much pressure on the kicker as possible.
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| Yet again Hall goes to pieces under high kicks, yet again it is excused. Monaghan doesn't do that every week, but then again wingers don't struggle defending high kicks Like Hall does.
His first try showed his real quality a try not many players would score.
Yet Briscoe still gets critisized for a very good game, and scoring a try that Hall would never have scored.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Yet again Hall goes to pieces under high kicks, yet again it is excused. Monaghan doesn't do that every week, but then again wingers don't struggle defending high kicks Like Hall does.
His first try showed his real quality a try not many players would score.
Yet Briscoe still gets critisized for a very good game, and scoring a try that Hall would never have scored.'"
You thought Briscoe was good for the first hour of that game?
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Yet again Hall goes to pieces under high kicks, yet again it is excused. Monaghan doesn't do that every week, but then again wingers don't struggle defending high kicks Like Hall does.
His first try showed his real quality a try not many players would score.
Yet Briscoe still gets critisized for a very good game, and scoring a try that Hall would never have scored.'"
So if defending Monaghan is so easy how is it that he manages to out jump every winger in SL? His scoring record is second to none in the league.
Briscoe has an overlap a perfect pass from his centre which he drops cold and you ignore it - let's not go near his defence!!
I have said Briscoe is a pet player for you and you seem incapable of seeing his failings.
Good job McGuire got selected - thank goodness you are not selecting the side.
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| I disagree with idea that Hall went to pieces more it is Monaghan is better in that area and you regularly see him scoring tries that way more so in the seasons he was on the wing. He regularly did it against most teams.
I also believe that Briscoe had a ok game until the try and I believe he is definitely worth his place in the side as there is no one better fit to drop him for.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"You thought Briscoe was good for the first hour of that game?'"
I thought he was better than good. What exactly did he do wrong? He certainly didn't conceded a try and nearly another like his other winger., yet one gets praise and the other not. Had you got off your couch and left the room when he stopped a certain try at end of first half? Delaney may have made the tackle but it was Briscoe using his head which stopped the pass for the overlap, which slowed the play for Delaney to tackle.
And Sal told you before I don't have favourites. I comment on what happens in a match, I don't hold grudges like you either. If I did have a favourite it certainly wouldn't be a winger, a position I have continually said are two a penny.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"Yet again Hall goes to pieces under high kicks, yet again it is excused. Monaghan doesn't do that every week, but then again wingers don't struggle defending high kicks Like Hall does.
His first try showed his real quality a try not many players would score.
Yet Briscoe still gets criticized for a very good game, and scoring a try that Hall would never have scored.'"
Hall was challenged by one of the worlds best wingers for that type of kick. Briscoe had a chance to put the game to bed if he had kept hold of that class pass in the 1st half.Hall is more devastating from 10 meters out from the opposition try line and Briscoe like wise @40 meters.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I thought he was better than good. What exactly did he do wrong? He certainly didn't conceded a try and nearly another like his other winger., yet one gets praise and the other not. Had you got off your couch and left the room when he stopped a certain try at end of first half? Delaney may have made the tackle but it was Briscoe using his head which stopped the pass for the overlap, which slowed the play for Delaney to tackle.'"
He was given a clear run into space only to drop the ball with nobody near him, and he totally misjudged a Warrington bomb which bounced, but luckily for him ended up with Paul Wood and didn't lead to a try. He also failed to gather to kick off after the Joel Moon try, Thankfully though, I have Tevo so whenever I need to leave the comfort of my very comfortable sofa I can pause the game
He did take a very good kick right at the end of the game, and the fend for his try was Senior/Hall esqe
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| Quote ="Dwayne Dibley"Hall was challenged by one of the worlds best wingers for that type of kick. Briscoe had a chance to put the game to bed if he had kept hold of that class pass in the 1st half.Hall is more devastating from 10 meters out from the opposition try line and Briscoe like wise @40 meters.'"
I would agree entirely with that last statement. I disagree with the first part. Defending high kicks is something Hall has been caught out on by several opposition over last couple of years. Standing flat footed is not a good start to defend one. But he makes up for it with a class try.
Hence why if Briscoe had done that I can understand the critisizing. But he didn't. Yet one gets excuses all the time and the other can't do right. There is only one pet player here.
I don't understand how after a good team performance, one lad who actually happened to win the game gets critisized, when he did nothing wrong. I wouldn't even critisize Kirke after that game.
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"He was given a clear run into space only to drop the ball with nobody near him, and he totally misjudged a Warrington bomb which bounced, but luckily for him ended up with Paul Wood and didn't lead to a try. He also failed to gather to kick off after the Joel Moon try, Thankfully though, I have Tevo so whenever I need to leave the comfort of my very comfortable sofa I can pause the game
He did take a very good kick right at the end of the game, and the fend for his try was Senior/Hall esqe
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You need to watch properly mate. He dropped a ball on half way with a Wire player in front of him coming at him, because he was watching that player. He didn't let a ball bounce, watch it properly, it is Hardaker and McGuire the two players. The ball to touch after moons try was messed up by Hardaker and Peacock first, so thanks for confirming the fact that only one gets critisized.
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| Quote ="Gotcha"I thought he was better than good. What exactly did he do wrong? He certainly didn't conceded a try and nearly another like his other winger., yet one gets praise and the other not. Had you got off your couch and left the room when he stopped a certain try at end of first half? Delaney may have made the tackle but it was Briscoe using his head which stopped the pass for the overlap, which slowed the play for Delaney to tackle.
And Sal told you before I don't have favourites. I comment on what happens in a match, I don't hold grudges like you either. If I did have a favourite it certainly wouldn't be a winger, a position I have continually said are two a penny.'"
Quite clearly you do - you don't comment on what happens - last week the first Bradford try was - according to you - a knock on. It wasn't anything of the kind Briscoe simply knocked it on - the fact you couldn't see it - like the knock on today suggests you see what you want to see.
I don't have grudges - McGuire is not the player he was but he is nowhere near as bad as the likes of you would have many believe.
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| i thought briscoe did ok. yes he dropped a dolly but everyone has done that at some time. he cleverly saved a try in the 2nd half by racing back to position himself between the player with the ball and the winger. an unnoticed vital bit of defending
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Quite clearly you do - you don't comment on what happens - last week the first Bradford try was - according to you - a knock on. It wasn't anything of the kind Briscoe simply knocked it on - the fact you couldn't see it - like the knock on today suggests you see what you want to see.
I don't have grudges - McGuire is not the player he was but he is nowhere near as bad as the likes of you would have many believe.'"
Last week was a knock on, I was sat right above it. You would have to be an idiot not to see it. It was knocked out of his hands in a forward motion.
I saw the knock on today, I have already said that. It was on the half way line, and eye off ball looking at player. Others knocked on also, including his fellow winger twice, resulting in one try conceded and nearly another.
Yet to you, only one player is critisized. That is pretty sad to be honest.
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| Quote ="tad rhino"i thought briscoe did ok. yes he dropped a dolly but everyone has done that at some time. he cleverly saved a try in the 2nd half by racing back to position himself between the player with the ball and the winger. an unnoticed vital bit of defending'"
Exactly and something Charlie Sheen missed as I commented above. But then again he also though it was Briscoe who let the ball bounce when it was Hardaker and McGuire.
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| Briscoe was the last player to miss the ball. as it went dead. It was an error by all 3, but he still should have prevented it.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"
I don't have grudges - McGuire is not the player he was but he is nowhere near as bad as the likes of you would have many believe.'"
What your saying is that your really just deflecting attention from your hero to another.
I am unsure though where you get that I critisize McGuire? Even on the other thread I said how he was one of the top four, a number of times I have praised him changing a game, when he is pants however, I say it, just like any other player who is pants. When he is good I say it. Your obsession in having the digs at Sinfield over the years just because he took you heroes glory away is really just sour grapes on your part. Don't try and bring me into having it against someone, when I don't,
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| Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Briscoe was the last player to miss the ball. as it went dead. It was an error by all 3, but he still should have prevented it.'"
I agree, yet you critisized him ONLY above, which proved my point. However, had Hardaker and Peacock done their bit properly, Briscoe wouldn't even be in the equation.
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| mcguire looked better as he didn't have responsibility as organiser. he simply went out and played and let sinfield move the team around the pitch
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| For the Briscoe knock on, whilst he should've caught it I also thought that Watkins unnecessarily passed the ball way too quickly, he should've ran with it a bit more until he drew the Wire winger in. Even if Briscoe caught it there wasn't a overlap he could speed away in.
The one from the kick off was poor by all three, Hardaker, Peacock and Briscoe, and I believe it was Hardaker who was caught out letting the high ball bounce.....but to be fair how good was his effort to firstly stop a possible 40/20 and then the break up field which lead to Hall's 2nd.
Hall vs Monaghan in regards to kicks was a worry but I think a lot of credit has to go to the Wire execution on those two kicks also, a lot of wingers would've struggled to stop them.
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| Quote ="Dwayne Dibley"Hall was challenged by one of the worlds best wingers for that type of kick. Briscoe had a chance to put the game to bed if he had kept hold of that class pass in the 1st half.'"
The one where Watkins passed to him too early 60 yards out with the Wire backs still to run through? He should have caught it for sure but it was hardly a golden missed chance.
Monaghan is great at attacking those kicks. The kick was actually aimed at Burrow, who Monaghan is obviously going to outjump, but Hall came in off his wing to try and deal with it but Monaghan had the lead on him. The problem was that nobody (Burrow and I think Moon were in attendance) took any notice of Bridge. Well worked try for Warrington. Maybe Leeds could have done a bit better but wouldn't be too harsh.
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| hardaker should have done better and two highly experienced international players made a schoolboy error. it took a call from either one. both left it to each other. both were to blame. to blame one or the other is stupid imo
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