Of course he doesnt mean that. The modern era is calculated over any time period that suits his argument.

You could use since the inception of SL.

You could use the past 5 years.

You could use the past 4 years.

You could use the past 2 years.

Success is defined by silverware, in all these periods Saints have more than any other side, including nationwide recognition by the BBC for our achievements.

Wigan and their trophy record is the benchmark in the game. One day Saints should reach it, unless a miracle happens and Wigan get competitive.

Why?

The Mighty "S", when it reallt matters.



Its' bad sport for the winners to hate the losers, so I don't hate Saints.

Whoop woop.

You don't consider the end of winter rugby and the start of summer rugby as the end of an era ?

What about using the month of October from any given year as a relevant period.

Reasons why people dislike Saints in the modern era.

1. Saints have finished as champions more than any other.

2. Saints have won the Challenge Cup more than any other.

3. Saints have finished top of the pile more than any other.

You do realise with an unbalanced fixture list that finishing top is neither here nor there??
Also winning championships carries more prestige when you do it without cheating!!

I actually agree with this.

I don't think theres any doubt that if Saints had turned up for the previous 2 Grand Finals then we'd have won the double for the past 3 seasons. We didn't and consequently Leeds can revel in the most successful period of their history.

There's also little doubt if catalan dragons,huddersfield giants and more recently hull fc had turned up in their respective cup finals they'd all have a challenge cup in their cabinet after making you "choke" in their finals aswell!!

This is a top thread, you wouldnt find this kind of.. erm.. "Banter" on the "Mighty S" boards with its clinical censoring of anything slightly anti saints, kudos to you all and viva les mods.

Using the usual measures of Championships, Challenge Cups, Premierships, RT/JP, Floodlit, Lancashire, Yorkshire and World Club Championships:

Wigan have won 70 Trophies
St Helens have won 44
Leeds have won 41
and
Bradford have won 34

Rather than chasing the much more successful Wigan you'd be better served trying to hang onto 2nd.

Are hubcaps, lazenby trophies and tetleys festive challenges and other such important trophies included?

That's the pinnicle in st.helens!!

Leeds catch Saints ? Even during your most successful period of the last 2 years your sole extra trophy is one WCC and we aren't even counting the hubcap which a piece of silverware you still get regardless of meaning little.

Once normal service is resumed, 26 trophies can be knocked off in 15/20 years.

Do you want me to add the 'hubcaps' to Wigan's lead over St Helens then?

I assumed you wouldn't like that.

All what ? One of them is it ?

Hardly as we're talking trophies won over the game's history here rather than the last 13 seasons worth.

Has there been a Play Off system before ? I would assume that the Championships that Wigan have won are their 'hubcaps' ?

Should I be surprised a Saints fan doesn't know the history of the game?

I can't recall a Play Off system earlier, certainly not my lifetime anyhow.

Interesting either way.

The first past the post system of deciding the league champions was but a brief interlude in the history of RL, lasting approximately 25 years in the late 20th century.

Is that like deja vu!?

You've done well lad. I never thought it possible you could make yourself look more stupid than you usually do but good for you.

Has there been a playoff system before?