I think the bottom line, as many have stated before, is that the players are simply not good enough, and many wouldn't make it into other SL teams. However, we all knew it would take time, and we need to bear with them until contracts start to expire at the end of the season and new, high quality players can be brought in. Blaming Furner won't achieve anything - I don't think any coach could make a silk purse out of this sow's ear.

[list[/list:uA forlorn Furner in the press conference. Also said 'there' 37 times which equates to around once every 13 seconds, as I assumed the rate increases with the level of pressure/disappointment.

But it p@@@@@d it down for the second half Seth and we had Westy Ellis and Taylor resting for this period.

But that is pure fantasy.

Stats from the game https://www.rugby-league.com/superleagu ... port/95676

Stats from the game https://www.rugby-league.com/superleagu ... port/95676

McDermott would get blamed.

And I completely disagree, Furner was a poor appointment but even I am surprised it's showing so soon.

Both half backs missed 5 tackles each!!

The squad was & is still a problem.
Furner does take some blame for selection but saying that the cull should have run deeper & keeping Lowes on was a big mistake imo.
Out of our current squad i think another 10+ should be allowed to leave.

Leeds v wigan relegation battle? We are both very poor so far.......

Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Stats from the game https://www.rugby-league.com/superleagu ... port/95676'" Trent Merrin 52 tackles and Liam Sutcliffe 41 tackles. They are trying but we are not good enough. I wasn’t at the game so this is just from the stats but the following are poor Singleton 16 tackles, 3 miss tackles, 6 carries, 28 metres Lolohea 5 missed tackles, 3 errors Myler 5 missed tackles Dwyer 3 missed tackles Newman 3 missed tackles Every player with the exception of Oledski has at least 1 missed tackle

Quote ="Charlie Sheen"Stats from the game https://www.rugby-league.com/superleagu ... port/95676'" Trent Merrin 52 tackles and Liam Sutcliffe 41 tackles. They are trying but we are not good enough. I wasn’t at the game so this is just from the stats but the following are poor Singleton 16 tackles, 3 miss tackles, 6 carries, 28 metres Lolohea 5 missed tackles, 3 errors Myler 5 missed tackles Dwyer 3 missed tackles Newman 3 missed tackles Every player with the exception of Oledski has at least 1 missed tackle

Did the very glaring two attempts resulting in two misses from Handley not register?

I hope the club sold plenty of season tickets this year. But if the on field performance doesn't improve, it might be a tough ask to balance the books next year. I agree with the the "GH asleep at the wheel" comment above, I didn't expect us to win anything this year but I did expect to see solid progress, upset the odd front runner and secure a mid table finish. Even that modest expectation looks unlikely at present. But it's early days and as Corporal Jones might say "Don't Panic"

It’s not that early days, we have played over 20% of the regular season and only managed 1 win.

10 minute wonders! Pity the game lasts for 80. Sinfield too has to take some of the flack, looking after his old mates. This team has no heart. Having a waster like Ferris wearing the captain's armband demonstrates the lack of desire in this (dare I say team?) bunch.

10 missed tackles between Myler and Lolohea is unacceptable, especially when you consider their limited ability to control a game with kicks etc.

Unfortunately this is one area of the team we don't have the luxury of options - at least with the forwards there are injured players to come back and potentially new signings to be made in-season. McClelland in for Myler might be a good call at some point, and I like the idea of putting Lolohea to FB and trying Walker at SO, BUT a pairing of Walker and McClelland looks highly risky.

Can we bring McGuire back for the rest of the season? But for the occasional flash in the pan, Myler really isn't cutting it in his Leeds career.

Said last year when Sinfield gave Ferris the armband what signal does that give out , yes he has shown an improvement this year but still way off the standard required and certainly no leader .

Ferres is rubbish, his goal line defence is unbelievabley bad and he's averaging a miserable 5.7m a carry, playing left edge second row, shows what a terrible signing he's been that some think he's having an improved year. Furner talking about getting more experience into the team aswel, my god, mayswel scrap the academy, experience is only useful if there bodys can back it up, ferres is completely shot, Abletts going to be better than Suttcliffe but his body cant have much more left, but sounds like thats our second row goin forward.

Mayswel loan Cam Smith to Fev for the year, everytime he's played backrow, he's played well, but cant get a look in. Furners talk about the young lads pre season seems to be just that, talk. We'v got the worst backrow in the league, we'v got one of the best young backrowers in the country....Our logic...Send him on duel-reg

This takes me back to the bad old days,after another defeat you would look at the players available and think what can we change to improve?and like now you would reach the same conclusion!NOTHING!

Maybe controversial but i think Wigans problems are worse than ours, I do think we have shown some glimpses as have wigan but as weak as we may think our squad and coach is I think theirs is worse

I have been calling for Smith to get in, but he was a turnstile in D. You can’t just look at players going forward, that’s part of the reason Leeds are in this mess.

If smith sorts his defence out he has all the potential in the world, but he’ll need to work hard at it and it’s partly an attitude which you either have or don’t.

Then again he probably needs to be defending tighter in than last time TBF.

Watched furners presser and he was furious. He lambasted the weak middle and wingers not catching the high ball.

Also the poor kicking game from the halves and showing no leadership. I do seem to recall Gary Schofield calling this in pre season and he was rounded on for saying it. He was spot on.

Saw the highlights and we looked like relegation battle material already. Furner looking at all options he said inc possibly squad improvements

Unfortunately we are no further forward than last year, while some players have been moved on, generally letting both Garbutt go and Klienhorst go has been a mistake. Sinfield returning was seen as a good move but it hasn't. Improved the team performance, we still gave contracts to the boys, namely JJB and Ablett, both are injured so nothing has changed. Nothing wrong with the signings just not enough and with the Mullally , Walters and Ormenroyd going there must be scope to go out and buy an experienced player to help Marshall the team. What I cannot understand is why have we the same back room team that failed so much last year, whilst Furner is under big pressure, the same pressure is also on Sinfield, would you still allow James Lowe anywhere near the first team . My big problem with Furner is we have some great kids, Cam Smith etc but if f they have a bad game they are dropped and sent to Fev on duel reg, yet he keeps playing his favourites , like I said Furner is under big pressure , and while GH and Sinfield was lapping up the praise in the Directors suite before the game against Wakefield, the atmosphere will be totally different next Friday against Lonon, because now GH has passed the pressure onto Sinfield and he is now in the firing line, he has to take responsibility for Furner and the new signings, only time will tell.

He was out of position against wakefield, defended too tight, because thats what hs knows, and didnt have the pace to make up for it. His defence has never been a problem when playing in the backrow.

Even if his defence was a problem, id rather play the 20 yearold with all the potential, whos miles better on attack, than the two ploders who have been playing, who offer no potential what so ever, are terrible defenders and offer nothing atall in attack.

If your basing smiths defence off the wskey game, i think thats massivley unfair on him, if your basing if off all the games he's played in the backrow, i disagree, his defence has been fine when in his natural position.

I thought it was a good presser from Furner actually. He’s not sugar coating things and he knows what isn’t right. Got the impression he’s losing patience with some players already and so changes will be made - when he can make changes.

He needs time, we aren’t going to make progress with knee-jerk after knee-jerk. This team needs a new but consistent vision over time - right now that squad still isn’t authentic Furner/Sinfield. New signings have been much better than previous years, let’s give it a chance.

Nah mate he was a bit off in a few games at Bradford too. His defence is the reason why he’s not a 1st team regular already, he has all the talent otherwise.

I agree with you but for me it would be Cam Smith instead of Sutcliffe, not as well as. You can’t have too many dodgy Ds at the same time, especially with Tui on that right side as well.