Unless he is playing in next years reserve team.

You've done it now Gotcha
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Those were the days!!! Storming Norman!!!

Sadly i dont see the reserve team returning anytime soon.

It should be a requirement of all clubs wishing to play in SL that they MUST have a reserve side
We need to keep these talented 19 year old kids that dont initially get a first team squad place at their respective clubs involved in our game

If we neglect this then our game is shooting itself in the foot

I suspect that the club is hoping that they've unearthed the next Hill or Walmsley.

I totally agree pal but the last i heard GH sees the 19s as our reserve team and then any players deemed to have potential can go on dual reg.

Like when we signed Andy Yates! And yet we have a player with massive potential in Baldwinson. Can see what will happen. Ormondroyd will get a few games, not be up to scratch and moved on. Baldwinson will go from strength to strength and being signed by Saints, Warrington or Hull

i don't think he will have a choice in it. He has been proven wrong this season, and I don't think he will dig his hole further.

The reserves competition obviously being a roaring success this year with more than a quarter of sides not even bothering to finish the year and 1 not even starting it.

A statement from someone not in touch with what is happening in Super League, and the relevance.

Aaaah more of gotchas in the know info.

If only we all had our fingers on the super league pulse like you eh, we could be stood with Phil Daly welcoming Sam Burgess to hq.

How is that in the know? not a single scratch of anything alluding to in the know. I said you was out of touch with what is happening in Super League and the relevance. That is known to all, not just the few. The fact that teams running reserve teams are also running away in super league, and the fact that all and sundry in management in the game, but for our esteemed CEO, is saying it is a no brainer to run reserve teams next year.

Thank before you post, it makes more sense.

No they aren't. Maybe in their secret meetings with you they are but 3 teams have quit the reserves league because it was a waste of time, 1 didn't even start because it was such a waste of time.

If you want to pretend there is some clear and obvious correlation between success and teams having a reserve and not dual reg system then you would be wrong. Whilst it's true that 3 of the top 4 have reserves, they are also 3 of the 6 clubs to have contested a grand final before this year. There is also the fact that Les Catalans don't run one and they are doing better than Saints who do.

Yes they are. Hence the out of touch comment made to you. You only have to read all the media reports on it. There is no secrets about it. Wake up, and you too can see it around you.




Actually, you would be wrong. Because there most certainly is this year.




Aaahhhhhh, so now you prove yourself wrong, nice one.




Catalans do have a reserver/feeder team, in the French leagues, where do you think they keep pulling players from not in the academy? Leeds and Bradford have contested grand finals, coincidentally not running reserve leagues, but then that doesn't match with your agenda doesn it? it just catches out your pointless argument. It does not need me to say it works, and certainly you saing the oppossite only adds credence to it, but you only have to listen to the coaches who do it saying it is no coincidence. Or Jamie Peacock and the Huddersfield coaches who don't do it, saying what a mistake it was.

But of course, it doesn't matter what facts are in front of SmokeyTA, he will still argue until the sun comes home that he is right.

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Nope.

You do realise that the French leagues is still a winter one yeah?

Also I'm not sure why you think leeds and Bradford not running reserves are relevant to my point which was that we shouldn't be surprised wigsn hull and wire are up at the top. They have been there before

Because you brought up playing in grand finals, hence Leeds and Bradford, but that didn't suit did it?

Hull have been at the top how many times in the last 30 years? But of course the times they did, there was an reserves league or a under 21's league. You see the difference with that? under 21's with over age allowed to play is completely different to under 19's.

Wire at the top. How many times again over the years?

Your also missing the point that the ones with the reserves are not just at the top, or top half, they are way ahead of the rest. A big difference.

You might not agree with reserve league, I didn't earlier in the year, you might want a different format, but anyone who can't see the benefit it has had for teams this year is seriosly naive.

So Leeds would've been in top 4/5 if they had a reserve team this year?

again I'm still not sure of the relevance. You seem to be trying to link Bradford and Leeds current struggles to lack of reserves but if you think really hard enough it will dawn on you why it cannot be the case.

No sweetie pie. Let me explain why. A super league season is a closed system. There are a limited number of interdependent actors within it, ergo reserves can only be a causal factor for hulls success if not all actors within that system have it. For the years where there were reserves and everybody had it. It wasn't a causal factor for hulls success, for the years when no one had it, it cannot be a causal factor for hulls failure. Even if there was a clear correlation between there being a reserves and Hull being successful it couldn't be a causal factor because 11 other sides would have the opposite correlation to the same factors.

3 challenge cups a league leaders shield and 2 grand finals in the last 6 years.


And you are missing the point that the top teams are usually way ahead of the rest. In fact bar leeds and Hudds you would expect those sides to be way ahead of the rest. And we can discount the struggles of Leeds and Hudds as being down to reserves because of the 11 sides who have overtaken leeds only 4 of them have reserves.

IMO it’s too soon to measure the success/failure of reserves since many clubs haven’t even completed 1 season with them.

The main point in favour of reserves given by those in development is to give 19s a chance to develop so this benefit is unlikely to be see immediately. It requires patience – something all too rare in RL. I’d look again in 3 or 4 years and see if more late developers are coming through.

Ah the nostalgia of the old A Team fixtures. Games on Friday evening might just catch on.

This is how i'd view it too. I would like to see Leeds have one and I do think the teams who currently do have a reserve side will see the benefit IN TIME, but you're looking at after 12-18 months of running it, not after 3 games spread out over 3 months like Gotcha was thinking earlier in the year.

At the moment it's limited to how quickly it'll help because of how few teams and matches are played. Wigan have played 6 games in almost 6 months......that's not why their first team is around the top of the SL table.

If reserves were the key to this season's table then why have Saints gone from finishing 10 points clear of Hull before the split in 2015 to currently being 8 points behind them? Why are Leeds behind the likes of Wakey and Widnes who also don't have a reserve side?

I have not seen much of this guy but saw him a few times last year and he looked to have more raw athletic potential than baldwinson. Not saying he is a better player now. Probably a bit of a project if these rumours are true.

Looks like it's going to happen as Peter Smith normally has the club's blessing to write about things.

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Mssrs Hetherington and McDermott were both at Batley today. Obviously a few dual reg players in Fev team, Golding Baldy and Mullally, none really stood out. Ormondroyd was at 13 but was very disappointing for me. Missed several tackles before going off after about 25 mins and the tackles he made had poor contact. He returned in 2nd half but not for long.

As i previously said he was best player on park in pre-season game versus a very young Leeds team.

Based on 2 games ive seen him have since that this isnt a signing we should be making.

Big well built athletic looking lad but wonder if he has the stomach for Super League.