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More like the truth, where do you expect us to find more money from ??

Now is the time to stay tough and hold in there, for me RW has until the 31st July to produce the stadium funds then and only then should we start to enforce a change.

What planet are you on ?? RW has told a few truths there and if you would prefer to be in Bradfords position , then there is nothing stopping you from peeing off and supporting them.

How many times must it be said CAS DO NOT SPEND WHAT THEY DO NOT HAVE ,and that sonny is why there is still a Cas for children to moan about

That is yet to be seen, very brave statement indeed - best of luck with that one.

However before you accuse me of trolling it has to be said that successive Cas Boards have done a remarkable job keeping the club on an even keel.

What's so brave about saying we're still here? We ARE still here. It's not yet to be seen at all!

That would have been a great repost - however in written English when an item is in bold it's normally considered to be the highlighted talking point. So "CAS DO NOT SPEND WHAT THEY DO NOT HAVE" was actaully the issue - which I contend is a brave statement. One because you have RW in charge. Two because in the same way the sheer and sudden demise at both Wakey and Bradford caught the fans totally unaware up until the last few weeks - why are you so sure Cas are any different. I'm not saying you are heading that way I don't know, I'd just don't get why you are so sure you're not. These are strange times indeed.

The times are as expected, Cas hit a bad patch and you reappear trying to be amusing, its not working sonny. No wonder they dont like you over on the wakey board.
Hows your mate ted going on ??

That would have been nicely patronising - however, also written in bold were the words "and that sonny is why there is still a Cas for children to moan about".




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With the exception of "we would like nothing more than to put a world class team in black and amber" I think it is a somber and balanced piece regarding the financial challenges with running a modestly sized club in this market.

I also commend Richard for not gloating a little and pointing out the RFL bailout of the Bulls with their ground, and London etc.... I would have been less gracious and said "I hope if we struggle to get financial security on our ground, the RFL will purchase that for us" but PR is not my strong point - principles are.

I think the world class quote is a bit of an own goal, but the bit about off contract players is a master stroke - basically says - if you are off contract, you are being looked at very closely - good call.

I think you'll find from the -£400k we lost last financial year we do spend money we don't have.

Too many of you are blinded by the rubbish you read in the C&P each week. The same story on rotation.

Actually, to be pedantic it was £360,000. Are you a shareholder? If not, I suggest you ask someone who is why we lost that amount i.e. planning costs, paying architects etc.

"Most significantly the disappointing results on the field at the start of the 2010 season, and the resulting smaller gates, contributed heavily to a £270,000 reduction in revenue from the previous year."

From RW himself.

I think you'll find that the key words are "contributed heavily to a £270,000 reduction in revenue". It does not say that they fully accounted for the losses.

I'm glad that you mention the word 'GATES', so many have in the past dismissed the importance of gates and prefer just to focus on money from SKY. Gates and attendances are still a very important factor for each and every club. As the RFL continue to spread the game, the expense of travel for the team and supporters will become an increasingly difficult financial challenge to us all. There are some increasingly tough times ahead!

I think it's a good statement, and it's cleared a few things up for me. It's as easy as that. If the club did this more regularly they wouldn't come in for as much criticism.

Really, you'd know.

The total loss as stated by fully was £360k. Obviously the fact that £270k is written after the words "contributed heavily" would make you assume most is still a loss after new stadia expenses. Even if just 50% is - that's still nearly a £140k loss.

I wish some of the people on here were doing my tax returns and financial planning deals I put together at work, becuase the never ending stream of management accountants, business analysts and financial investigators who are experts in CTRLFC company, WTWC company, players contracts and salaries never ceases to amaze me.

Genuinely. Put the financial performance in to a 5 year overview first of all, to identify a trend and allow some consideration to projection.
Include in that the price of oil per barrel, FTSE 250 (100 is too narrow - maybe go to 400), GBP against the Euro and Aus Dollar - local unemployment rates and then match those percentage trends, I think you will identify that fiscal factors for ALL CLUBS have driven their cashflow profiles.
I am not being pedantic, but all clubs can end up here - TRUE, but the amount of tolerance before the PLC goes into the RED, or gets to the extent of it's borrowing or worse faces Administration or winding up orders depends on the thrift and careful financial management.

So, conservatism does not equal good - but in this narrow use case, it does equal time and breathing space to make considered decisions. I am no apologiser for RW, but I would rather have Wright and Fulton and Millward than some of the Crusaders, Wildcats, Bulls options and thats a fact.

Why do you bother , you obviously dislike everything about the club.

Why not join the unwashed over the hill , i am sure they would welcome you with open arms

FFS support the club, you may just get to enjoy it

I love my club and just because i do - it doesn't mean i should be blinded by the recycled information we're constantly given. Just because i love my club, does that mean my hard earned money should be thrown at them no matter what?

I own businesses in the entertainment industry (which is what sport and CTRLFC is) and the value of watching Cas compared to many other things out there nowadays is just not worth it for what you get in return.

And why bother quoting my statement when your reply added nothing at all? I am merely stating that we are losing money as much as anyone else.

Thats a strange kind of love , you havent posted 1 positive about Cas yet, and your facts are way off the mark, we arent losing as much money as the rest or we would have been out with the buckets like wakey last year and bradford this year.

Like them or not RW and JF are doing a decent job keeping the club afloat while chasing the RFL dream of a new stadium.

I for one am glad they arent breaking the bank for mebbe 1 or 2 seasons relative success Followed by administration and the possible closure of the club, just to appease the like of you.

As said before , there are plenty of teams out there that need the odd glory supporter ......................... feel free, or for a change , why not get behind the club for once

There are NO positives to take from the club, otherwise myself and so many other fans wouldn't be moaning about it on here, in the papers and otherwise every day.

At the end of the day we are STILL losing money and STILL fielding a team that overall aren't good enough so we're not getting anywhere and not improving - we are taking steps backwards. I don't pay my money to be a glory supporter of Castleford Tigers - what a stupid statement to make when we've not won a major trophy for YEARS! (NL1 Final is not MAJOR)

Did i say you were glory hunting at Cas ....... did I ? you should have gone to specsavers.

Ask bradford whether there are positives to be taken from a club that is not going tits up.

'FANS' yeah right . Just what the club needs , a load of moaning minnies. If you do love the club as you say then grow a pair and get behind them

We are on a Cas Tigers Messageboard, talking about Cas Tigers and you made your statement regarding glory supporting fans when replying to my statement being a Cas Tigers Fan. Long winded but you're basically contradicting yourself in each reply.



I never stated there were any positives, YOU asked for the positives. And blatently there are no positives RE Bradfords outcome so you've contradicted yourself again.



Part of being a fan of a club allows us to air our views and if the majority agree with an issue something is usually done about it - Nobody just follows a team just for the sake of it. For your money you'd like to see a challenging team that is improving or looks to be improving. We have none of this on and off the field.