Usual off-season fayre, nothing of use to talk about, so petty who can p155 highest up a wall contest. I have taken to working during the day instead of reading this forum for a while.

How very tiresome, I would like to actually discuss something really related to rugby league or Castleford, I have tried to post insightful meaningful things on a few discussion threads, before they became tool measuring point scoring crap....... But in the meantime I should say: everybody who plays for Hull KR is from down under, I hate Leeds and Wakey are poor and Fev, well, dont get me started....... YAWN.

Just as i thought ....... pathetic

Both losers im afraid, the name is about how many times wakey paid a debt, and how many times Cas went into administration.



Always happy to help those who are not as bright as they should be

Wouldn't groundshare cos that's a step away from the 2 clubs merging into one.

The thing that winds me up is how fans of certain clubs that are tennants of football clubs gloat about their wonderful stadiums and criticise the likes of Cas and Wakey for not having the luck to be in the vicinity of a football ground they can use. But go all quiet when they have to make alternative arrangements because their landlords (the football club) decide its inconvenient for them to use their ground. eg. when relaying the pitch or because the football club has got a game that weekend.

To my mind when considering the ground aspect of a franchise bid a point should be lost if you have had to play at an alternative ground in the previous franchise period having effectively been kicked out by the football club. Wigan & Huddersfield wouldn't be so cocky then....

Absolutely, the franchise system should reward clubs for owning rather than being tenants, just like they did for being geographically far away from another club.
Clubs such as ours (if we ever find out who owns BV) are penslised all ways round.

Indeed. The trouble is the RFL are blinded by the nice shiny stadia of Huddersfield, Wigan et al and fail to see the downside such as Huddersfield having to play 3 or 4 'home' games at another clubs ground a few miles away whilst their 'own' ground has its pitch repaired. Or that Wigan have to play a play-off-game at Widnes cos Wigan Athletic have a premiership game that weekend, or that Wigan have to play a play off game on a Sunday against the preference of the SL and SKY because Athletic won't let them play on a Friday or Saturday.

Has any CT fan considered the possibility that the application on WR could very well lead to a PI?

There is the possibility of other supermarkets objecting on the basis of market share & competition (ASDA at GH are non too happy after being limited with redevelopment/buying neto), the possibility of other sites which are also bidding for the right to build the new supermarket objecting/appealing to the SoS; all of which potentially (key word there) lead to a PI.

Should that happen I think you would be very silly to refuse to contemplate a move to NM- which has it's own battles to be fought, although ours will be resolved in 3 months time, with a public announcement a few weeks later. All of which is moving in the right direction, at pace if you know where to look!

I honestly hope for the situation of us both being in new grounds in the next 3 years, CT are an essential income stream to WT & vice versa.

The only banter I will put down is that in terms of plans; our stadium is easily better & our site blows yours out of the water! I would put money on CT using the training facilities as much as WT!- But then they're yours too you know!

Good luck and enjoy your off season CT fans- Back for our revenge at MM!
See you in Feb!

The likelihood of ASDA's complaints holding any ground is small IMO. I think someone mentioned that the Council welcome the competition and Castleford is an area that needs that. A supermarket will be built in the town and we have a petition saying that 22,000+ people want it on Wheldon Rd.

You'd be surprised what sway the supermarkets have.
It was widely mooted that tesco were after the old Sainsburys site, Sainsburys kicked off and tesco have had to find another site.
I accept the similarities are different, but don't underestimate the size of the nads of the supermarkets.

But ASDA have, as much as I'd guess people will try to point out differently, a monopoly over Castleford in terms of size. Whilst we do have smaller Morrisons and Aldi, they are very small in terms of overall choice of stock compared to ASDA.

As such, we need another big store and like Pontefract, which has a Morrisons, Tesco, small Aldi, small ASDA, Iceland etc all within a stones throw of each other, then I can't see the competition aspect holding water.

It wont as Asda are considered to have a monopoly in Cas and that is why the council want a 2nd larg Supermarket in the town.

I think it would be safe to say that 22K that signed the petition was coerced/swayed by the fact it would supposedly deliver funding for a new ground. Many people don’t seem to understand the negative effect on local communities that Supermarkets have. In fact jobs will be lost from the local community because big Supermarkets with bulk buying power don’t tend to use small local suppliers, out sourced work will tend to go to outside contactors where as local business tend to deal local. The whole eco system of the community economy is shattered. Just have a search on the web for a few documentaries on what Wal-Marts effect on small communities has in the USA it's real eye opener. Supermarkets do not bring wealth to the local community they suck wealth from it. You could say that it's a negative sum game really, because money goes from the local community to big faceless corporations that don't really give anything back. The last thing a town like Cas needs is a Supermarket within walking distance of the town. It's like saying the opening of Trinity Walk was good business for the Ridings.

People in planning are quite aware of the economic argument which is why I find it hard to believe that the chance of a Public Enquiry are slim. I'm no expert on this process but considering the argument I expect the chances of a PI to be quite big.

Really when have the council said that?

www.pontefractandcastlefordexpre ... _1_3797402 Peter Box certainly seems to be onboard as long as it's friendly to the local area. With Opus continuously in discussions with the Council and other stakeholders within the community, I have no fear that they will also work together to ensure that box is ticked.

www.pontefractandcastlefordexpre ... _1_3797402 Peter Box certainly seems to be onboard as long as it's friendly to the local area. With Opus continuously in discussions with the Council and other stakeholders within the community, I have no fear that they will also work together to ensure that box is ticked.

I know. I said that in the opening line you quoted.

The circumstances surrounding this are considerably different. Castleford, as it is now, has very limited shops that people actually want to go to in the town centre. The only possible opposition is the market traders and they are actually on board as are many other community organisations, who may or may not have a vested interest in CTRLFC but do have a vested interest in Castleford as a town.

As such, I don't believe it will be sucking people out of the town centre; again, let's look at Pontefract - I don't think that seems to have suffered despite all the aforementioned supermarkets in my post above. In short, the development could have an opposite effect - creates more jobs, more money in the area, more people spending money in Castleford. Not just that, the whole waterside will be developed down there and will be turned into a thriving mix of retail, industrial and waterside housing.

See the article above for the ambitions shown by the council to create a sustainable, viable and progressive future to start rebuilding Castleford (and its image).

If an application by Opus is submitted in accordance with local and national planning guidlines in relation to a Special Policy Area there will be no Public Inquiry, no matter what commercial objections Asda may have.

IMHO

Unlike Newmarket, WR is not Greenbelt.

Nor is it owned by a third party and hoping to be replaced by another piece of scrounging

Reading between the lines here seems to me like Wakey fans are getting increasingly desperate that Cas groundshare with them...why? Living where I do in the north of Scotland, getting to games is never easy but I will never travel to watch any future Cas team playing their home games anywhere other than in Cas.

BA This may well be end up a bit of revenge on ASDAs part. irc when they first wanted to build the new store they were looking at building somewhere near where B&Q is. Unfortunately for them Tesco and Morrisons both complained that it would be too close to them in Ponte, and may lose them trade!

I agree with you the fact that WR isn't greenbelt will mean that it'll certainly not go to PI, unless something drastic materialises.

Since it was me who started the thread, i will explain why i did it.
As much as i can see every reason why we would all be better off with our own grounds, and i can, merger terrifies me just as much as anyone else, i also think that this year, the rfl may well get tough with either of us if we fail to deliver.
Im fairly confident our plan will go off according to the plan we have, which is fairly short term and thats fine.
I dont know about yours, not because i think it wont or anything like that, just simply because i dont know anything about it (im sure many who gob off in defiance, know equally as little).
But heres the thing, as much as we are all positive about our respective clubs plans, there is a chance of failure from either or both clubs, and if it were to happen what would either club be prepared to do, to either protect their SL status or their identity or whatever, which would be the most important aspect?
I asked the question firstly on our forum, we got some cas views, including an invitation or suggestion that i should ask the question on here, so i did.
So that is the reason why, not out of desperation (perhaps boredom!!!) not out of any antagonistic wish, just simply, what would you do if this happened? obviously i asked it from a wakey point of view (although i altered the poll a little for on this forum, just to make it a bit more relivent) because i am a wakey fan.
At the end of the day, i 100% genuinely hope that both clubs get their own grounds, but lets not kid ourselves that either of us are guaranteed to, because there is a lot of other influences, wether that be the economy, supermarkets, planning, finances or public inquiries.
I always think its worth debating any situation, i certainly dont know all the facts and i doubt anyone who is stupid to "guarantee" either of the plans does.
Equally i cant stop moronic clods from either side who wish to turn it into a who can pi$$ higher competition, but i take solice in the fact that those who usually shout the loudest, have little to shout about or have little if any grasp on the situation.

Translated ........ i stirred it but dont like the answers i am getting.

Go back to the filthy side sonny, you are not wanted with the clean folk

Like i said, i cant stop the moronic clods...................................................................

Especially ones that make obvious troll threads