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| Not intending to cause any antagonisation, I would be genuinely interested in your views, this is as I posted it on our site;
Following on from some posts on the Newmarket thread.
If as I believe, one or both of Wakefield and cas will get booted out of SL if either fail to deliver a ground, would you agree or disagree to the following scenario:
Wakefield are on with NM and GH isn't looking like happening, cas will get the boot from SL if they do not join Wakefield at NM.
Wakefield obviously do not own NM, and it's purpose is to provide facilities to local sporting clubs, cas would have the right and Wakefield could not rightfully object.
Incedently there is 91% support at time of posting, I have changed some of the voting options, as the original ones were obviously with our own fans in mind.
Please remember this is hypothetical, and isn't meant as a dickmeasuring competition.
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| Answer is no.
Though the options you give for no i cant chose any.
Option 3, why would we get kicked out of SL by wakefield that will never happen . Strange.
Option 4, Why would we need to go to doncaster, we have a stadium being built in the near future.
As for the present wheldon rd belongs to the club we own it. So no rush to leave until the new stadium is built.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Wakefield are on with NM and GH isn't looking like happening, cas will get the boot from SL if they do not join Wakefield at NM.
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I would disagree with this scenario
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| Would I groundshare? Only at GH, which has full PP already and IS going to happen one way or another.
Besides, it's a pointless thread really considering neither club has any intention of sharing, the fans have no intention of sharing and there's no evidence to suggest that either club needs to share, nor any talk of sharing from anywhere.
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| Sorry if I didn't make it clearer.
The hypothetical situation is based on the assumption that should either of us fail to deliver on the new ground front the RFL may revoke our licence before the three years was up, they did state this was a possibility.
I am (for the purpose of debate) looking at it from a pro NM decision and a negative GH situation.
Of course other scenarios are possible, but for the purpose of this thread that is how I looked at it.
Like I said it's not intended to be a ours is bigger than yours thing, just a simple poll if this situation was happening, and to stimulate some talking points.
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| Depends how you decide if we 'fail'.
The reality of Cas 'failing' is zero because we still have full PP and still have our own asset to sell. Therefore, whether it is 1 year, 5 years or 10 years, Glasshoughton will be built sooner or later. This is in contrast to Wakefield who are relying on the PI to go their way, which if it doesn't then it's back to the drawing board. I do suspect, however, that should this be the case that a new planning application for the same piece of land will be drawn up but on a smaller scale.
Opus are obviously behind WR 100% and are putting significant cash into the project through their various pre-consultations, reports etc, to fully supplement the Planning application for full PP on Wheldon Rd. They wouldn't do that if they were confident and the unprecendented support (over 22k signatures) just makes the work a whole lot easier. It's harder to argue with public opinion.
Anyway, we'll cross this bridge when it happens but for now there is no reason why both stadia shouldn't be built in both sets of fans' opinions. Let's hope that this is the case then this discussion can finally be put to bed and fans from other club can finally go foxtrot oscar.
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| Quote ="Fully"Depends how you decide if we 'fail'.
The reality of Cas 'failing' is zero because we still have full PP and still have our own asset to sell. Therefore, whether it is 1 year, 5 years or 10 years, Glasshoughton will be built sooner or later.
Opus are obviously behind WR 100% and are putting significant cash into the project through their various pre-consultations, reports etc, to fully supplement the Planning application for full PP on Wheldon Rd. They wouldn't do that if they were confident and the unprecendented support (over 22k signatures) just makes the work a whole lot easier. It's harder to argue with public opinion.'"
I suppose the failure (in the eyes of the RFL) would be if the grounds were not built/being built in this next franchise period.
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| But the RFL have to accept the country is on its backside. Unless you have someone with £12m+ to burn or can get funding from various organisations and a supermarket partner on the same site it's going to be difficult.
Like I said, hopefully this discussion won't even be relevant in 3 years, never mind now.
Am I being a pain and annoying you yet?
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| Quote ="Fully"But the RFL have to accept the country is on its backside. Unless you have someone with £12m+ to burn or can get funding from various organisations and a supermarket partner on the same site it's going to be difficult.
Like I said, hopefully this discussion won't even be relevant in 3 years, never mind now.
Am I being a pain and annoying you yet?
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Since when has the RFL taken such a pragmatic approach?
No more than usual!!!!!
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| Obvious troll thread is obvious.
No, we don't want to share with your inferior team in your imaginary stadium. If it comes to it, the Keepmoat.
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| Quote ="Gronk!"Obvious troll thread is obvious.
No, we don't want to share with your inferior team in your imaginary stadium. If it comes to it, the Keepmoat.'"
Don't forget my money!!!
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| Quote ="Fully"But the RFL have to accept the country is on its backside. Unless you have someone with £12m+ to burn
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Apparently so, according to some.
Quote ="bren2k" (Yorkcourt) "their business is flush with both cash and confidence?"'"
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| Would you come to watch trinity play at gh kinleycat out of interest?
No brainer for me if we share a nm the club will either be merged, dead or playing in championship 1 within 5 years. I think we will take outr own chances thanks. Good luck with newmarket.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Not intending to cause any antagonisation, I would be genuinely interested in your views, this is as I posted it on our site;
Following on from some posts on the Newmarket thread.
If as I believe, one or both of Wakefield and cas will get booted out of SL if either fail to deliver a ground, would you agree or disagree to the following scenario:
Wakefield are on with NM and GH isn't looking like happening, cas will get the boot from SL if they do not join Wakefield at NM.
Wakefield obviously do not own NM, and it's purpose is to provide facilities to local sporting clubs, cas would have the right and Wakefield could not rightfully object.
Incedently there is 91% support at time of posting, I have changed some of the voting options, as the original ones were obviously with our own fans in mind.
Please remember this is hypothetical, and isn't meant as a dickmeasuring competition.'"
Nothing against you kinleycat but can i give you some more options as to if I would consider a ground share:
a)Never in a million years
b)Only when hell freezes over
c)When John Kear can grow a full blown mullet
d)When Wakefield win the grand final
On a serious note, I seem to remember Wakey dismissing the idea out of hand not so long ago when the idea was raised. I don't think I could ever see it happening without the teams merging, and that will be the day I stop watching rugby league forever.
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| Quote ="bigalf"Apparently so, according to some.
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Well done, for taking the quote out of context and trimming off the start of the sentence, to suit your desperate agenda. You're a winner - really you are.
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| Think I'd stop watching and start following Kippax Knights.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Well done, for taking the quote out of context and trimming off the start of the sentence, to suit your desperate agenda. You're a winner - really you are.
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There you go!
Quote ="bren2k"I notice in today's WE that Yorkcourt have had good news for another big development just outside the city; a massive housing estate and commercial developments alongside the Paragon Business Park.
It doesn't mean much to the NM scheme in a substantive way, but I suppose it demonstrates their credentials in terms of getting these big projects off the ground; =#FF0000it could also suggest that their business is flush with both cash and confidence?'"
It could suggest it - but you never know!
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| Quote ="bigalf"There you go!
It could suggest it - but you never know!
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Which proves that your original out of context mis-quote was, at best, an act of childish mischief designed to play to the gallery, or at worst, a dishonest attempt to highlight a point that I never made in the first place.
You can apologise whenever you feel ready.
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| Quote ="pyeman"Would you come to watch trinity play at gh kinleycat out of interest?
No brainer for me if we share a nm the club will either be merged, dead or playing in championship 1 within 5 years. I think we will take outr own chances thanks. Good luck with newmarket.'"
For me pyeman, it would be a toss up between 3 things,
1. do i want to see wakey play in the top flight? yes
2. do i mind being a tenant in a ground owned by another club? id prefer not to be
3. is SL the be all and end all? it shouldn't be, but i think it probably is, and that is no disrespect to any clubs below SL level.
The difference for cas would be in question 2. and for me this makes the make up of the question very different to if it was asked of wakefield. IMO cas would be joint tenants at NM, a sports facility for the district on neutral territory.
I side stepped your question slightly, so in answer, i would 100%...............not be sure.
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| Quote ="BostonSpaTiger"Nothing against you kinleycat but can i give you some more options as to if I would consider a ground share:
a)Never in a million years
b)Only when hell freezes over
c)When John Kear can grow a full blown mullet
d)When Wakefield win the grand final
On a serious note, I seem to remember Wakey dismissing the idea out of hand not so long ago when the idea was raised. I don't think I could ever see it happening without the teams merging, and that will be the day I stop watching rugby league forever.'"
The merger thing would be a real concern for me too, as for wakey dismissing it, that was at gh i think.
I would prefer for both clubs to have separate grounds and 100% maintain their own identities, however the clock is ticking and we are still not in either new ground and the rfl have laid down a new factor in this lot of franchises, we arent guaranteed three years if our grounds aren't moving forward.
If both clubs are moving forward, no problem, if not sufficiently for the rfl both clubs could have real problems.
how about:
e) when rangi chase becomes english?
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| Quote ="bren2k"Which proves that your original out of context mis-quote was, at best, an act of childish mischief designed to play to the gallery, or at worst, a dishonest attempt to highlight a point that I never made in the first place.
You can apologise whenever you feel ready.'"
Yeah ok!
Quote ="bren2k"Personally I wouldn't mind sharing, on the proviso that following each Cas game, some kind of antibacterial wipe was provided at each seat, just to be on the safe side.'"
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| Quote ="kinleycat"The merger thing would be a real concern for me too, as for wakey dismissing it, that was at gh i think.
I would prefer for both clubs to have separate grounds and 100% maintain their own identities, however the clock is ticking and we are still not in either new ground and the rfl have laid down a new factor in this lot of franchises, we arent guaranteed three years if our grounds aren't moving forward.
If both clubs are moving forward, no problem, if not sufficiently for the rfl both clubs could have real problems.
how about:
e) when rangi chase becomes english?
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I agree with you kinleycat. It is up to both clubs to get their respective fingers out because when the licence applications come round next time, there could be a couple of championship clubs with strong cases and the RFL will be looking at both of us if our plans have not come to fruition again.
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| Quote ="bigalf"Yeah ok!
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A tongue in cheek comment on a thread that has little merit other than to provoke exactly that type of response.
It has no bearing on your original dishonest use of part of a quote from an unrelated thread.
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| Quote ="BostonSpaTiger"I agree with you kinleycat. It is up to both clubs to get their respective fingers out because when the licence applications come round next time, there could be a couple of championship clubs with strong cases and the RFL will be looking at both of us if our plans have not come to fruition again.'"
TBH mate, i think if we don't "pull our fingers out" it wont take three years to be staring down the barrels, the rfl have made that quite clear this time around.
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| Quote ="bren2k"A tongue in cheek comment on a thread that has little merit other than to provoke exactly that type of response.
It has no bearing on your original dishonest use of part of a quote from an unrelated thread.'"
Oi!!!
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