Right so in addition to wanting the coach sacked your now saying the club have been spinning a lie that somehow suits both side of an acrimonious split.

King left after only a few games into the regular seasons and both Gee and Kav, some of our better performers kept him out of the team and I don’t know of anyone who would have dropped either of them just to keep King happy, it was form and nothing to do with Grix failing to champion somebody.

Gannon who you originally welcomed and rated as both a short and longer term prospect, in two weeks has now become a robotic forward just the same as the rest of Grix’s pack.

Club, coach, players are all included in your critical comments.

Thanks for support but I’ll disagree on the above.

Not saying anyone lied just put out a political statement-history now.
Too early to comment on Gannon,just trying to answer the question,but doesn't seem to have the dynamism we lack-but time yet,loans give you that luxury as opposed to the alternative.

King left because his partner lives In Whitehaven and fax train more than Whitehaven, anyone who commutes long distances to work knows how draining this can be . Sam hallas had the same problem at Newcastle and went back to Bradford. Trying to fabricate a scenario where Grix is somehow to blame is just complete nonsense.

Okay, not telling the truth isn't a lie it's a concocted political statement which is history but you keep bringing it up to kick Grix with and it’s too early to comment on Gannon but until enough time has passed to know after 45 minutes of game time with a new club you’ll nevertheless say he’s a robot who lacks dynamism.

So let’s put that on the shelf.

Now your the BoD and somehow negotiate the release of Kyle Amor from Widnes and assuming he even wants to go into coaching and is qualified to do so when he actually wants to go into teaching and has finished a university course to do it again somehow appoint him as coach.

Now your Kyle Amor in exactly the same situation as SG is, name the players who are available and you could afford to assemble the team that you say Grix should be doing?

Let me be clear i am not blaming simon for every short coming we have as a team but he does have to take a far share of the blame when things go wrong like on sunday because that is part of his job. And when a player leaves shortly after joining fans will of course ask questions why. And when he gets things right i give him credit where it is due. As for springer surely when you sign a player one of the major reasons you do it is because you like what you have seen performance wise from them at there previous clubs. But of course it works both ways to make a move work player and coach after be on the same page. I just find it strange that if a player as lets just say bad habits in his game that Simon doesn't like and they in his eyes out weigh the players strengths why bother signing him in the first place.

Terry just on Springer I have explained it before but i’ll do so again.

Absolutely correct in what you said about SG liking him, signing him, working with him etc and him wanting to be here but it’s wasn’t about known bad habits or dislikes outweighing the likes.

Initially everything was fine then from one game it all went downhill.

The loss away at Oldham that year was on a par with Sunday’s at Barrow ironically by the same 16-12 scorline.

Of course there was a post match debrief and during that the areas of concern were highlighted first on team performance and then on individual performance and several players were talked to, all this was perfectly normal and what everyone was used to.

One of those players was Gadwin who during the game had conceded a number of penalties whilst in possession for not playing the ball correctly and for pushing out at the marker.

SG quite rightly pointed it out the right way saying penalties are killing us and when in possessions it’s poor form but Springer took it the wrong way and it all escalated from there leading quickly to him leaving and that's basically it.

Simon Grix obviously doesn't take fools lightly and whether you back him or not that's the way it is. He is just the same as the players though in the respect that he can improve and learn as he goes and whilst two 3rd place finishes may look o.k. on paper considering financial disparities, you wonder where we would be if we remedied our now annual slow start. Saying we build into a season is almost saying you're not aiming for top spot and as a supporter that is unacceptable. His somewhat laid back style at press interviews doesn't do him any favours either, especially when he comes out with statements like Sunday's 'i couldn't care less about the league table' comment. I for one could. Could we have a better person as coach at this time? Maybe not, but any coach is certainly not above criticism just in the same way as players aren't. Up The Fax!

Any worthwhile criticism or learning needs to come from someone’s equal or better qualified and it has to be based on facts and taken in context.

Like.

Every club builds into a season because they can’t play at top level all the time, everybody in the game knows it, it doesn’t mean they won’t be trying to win in the early games like your trying to imply.

Like.

His comment on league position was in the context of just losing a game and focussing on and resolving the reasons why, such as the issues with form, on field discipline and decision making that’s what he was doing instead of looking at a table and mumbling on about if we had 2 points here, or 2 points there, look where we could be but there gone forever, what do we do now, cry cry cry, have you not been in a dressing room or post match debrief of any kind? That’s what happens.

If your going to quote him and pick him up on everything including his interviews try and make sure you know what he was saying or ask him first instead of coming to inaccurate conclusions.

I know exactly what he said, it's on Fax tv. This is a forum and it's here to discuss and give opinions. My opinion is that we shouldn't try to build into the season, rather hit the ground running, what's up with that? Also yes, I've been in many dressing rooms post match for what it's worth. Just because I'm not the coach of a professional team doesn't mean I can't be right and SG can't be wrong. Does it?

We all what heard what he said but hearing something and understanding what was being said clearly isn’t your strong point and your hearing what your biased anti Grix mind wants to hear.

Slagging someone off in public based on miss information isn’t a discussion or an opinion it’s a wring conclusion and accusation.

A discussion and opinion that personally involves someone else should be said when he’s present to give them the right of reply.

Anything else is talking behind someones back and the cowards way, how can you have a discussion with or about someone when their not present and that’s what’s up with that.

If it’s choice between you or a professional coach being right my opinion is it will be him every time.

As I predicted weeks ago all your cable of 99% of the time is keyboard criticism from the comfort of your armchair and it will continue at every opportunity.

Anyway a good 6 weeks away from the net, the forum and the your bs from tomorrow yippee, probably knee or even neck deep by the time I’m back though.

I'm not anti Grix.

Finally got around to watching the match and its hard to say how we didn't win that game, we must have had enough chances to win it 2 or 3 times over which to be fair is the story of our season not putting games to bed and keeping teams in with a sniff.

Just anti facts then. Nowhere in that interview does GrIx mention building into a season, he mentions being patient and building into the game, what you are referring to is from a completely different interview from an earlier time in a completely different context which you are misquoting again.

Exactly.
Internally not taking chances, ill discipline and silly mistakes and Grix has no other option other than to point this out, try and work with the lads and only hope than someone doesn't take offense and ask for a move when he does.

Externally coming up against other good sides or desperate teams none of which are going to roll over and want to win as just as much as we do.

Enjoy your six weeks off. icon_thumb.gif

I will, thank you, but please don't offer me directions to get there otherwise I'd be going in the wrong direction down the wrong road.

Where are you going ?

Fantasy Island, see you both there.

I don't know if you are being patronizing or not but i will give you the benefit of the doubt . As for your response i would ask you where do you get this info from to do with with what Simon said to Gadwin after the Oldham game. I would be interested to know because everything that i have said on the matter came after a conversation i had with Gadwin in person. I am not saying that you are completely wrong some of what you say is true but there is always 2 sides to this.

He makes it up and accuses others of lieing, being keyboard warriors, or cowards. He's probably trawling through past posts as we speak to find a snippet to twist. On another note i would have liked to have kept Springer but he's not half the player Gwaze is. In my humble opinion of course. icon_biggrin.gif

Yes Gwaze was very impressive for us last season and by the sounds of things he is carrying on in the same manner at Sheffield Just a shame we could not keep him.

Not being patronising at all I simply didn’t know if you had seen my previous post or if it was before you joined the forum.

I am not going to name names in public without them being present but my info comes from within, including several other players from that game and what happened immediately after it including a couple who got a rollocking as well as Gadwin and they were ed off with their own performance.

Also it doesn’t make sense for Grix to sign someone and then start messing him around just because of a few mistakes along the way and there is absolutely no way SG would try and intimidate any player especially someone like Gadwin.

So from what I know and from what is out there the time frame is, he joined in November 2020, the Oldham game was early May 2021( and the video of the game is still available and you can see all the errors by GS and the others ) he was released and signed for Fev sometime in July so there were 7 months of normality a couple of months of friction and then he moved on.

Dead right about two sides and my gripe / frustrations are with anyone who has no info from either side and then makes a 100% wrong conclusion which is always against the coach.
Neither of us can be certain of what happened in full but at least what we’ve said isn’t just a guess or has been made up.

Whether you want to post what Gadwin had to say is your call.

wrong and if you didn’t make things up where did get your info from?

His inflated salary doesn’t seem to be affecting his teammates too much either...just another poor judgement call on our part.

I appreciate your response and think it is best we leave it at that and look forward to the game on sunday. And enjoy your time away.