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| Quote ="swifty62"after todays game...
bonus points are bad.
fax stopped playing there natural game and went for goals to stop barrow getting a bonus point.
normaly run those and from the three could have scored at least one try in end.
although we were glad had kicked the goals by the last few mins it did seem to put fax off their normal game.'"
That's a garbage statement, if Halifax hadn't been successful with any of those late penalties they could well have lost the game and had to settle for the bonus themselves. Sometimes you have to just shut a game down, it's about winning close games, not performance.
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| Quote ="marillion man"That's a garbage statement, if Halifax hadn't been successful with any of those late penalties they could well have lost the game and had to settle for the bonus themselves. Sometimes you have to just shut a game down, it's about winning close games, not performance.'"
agree that got to close games down. my thoughts were that the going for goal also stopped the fluency of the fax attack when going for goal three times one after another. i would have backed them to score from one of them.
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| Quote ="swifty62"agree that got to close games down. my thoughts were that the going for goal also stopped the fluency of the fax attack when going for goal three times one after another. i would have backed them to score from one of them.'"
If the ball stayed in the hands of the Halifax player carrying it !!!
Our completion rates aren't what they could be and running a penalty can cost us by conceding if losing possession. At least you get the ball back if you kick well enough. How about the pressure getting to the Barra lad who handled Pats's penalty in goal, talk about pressure.
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| Quote ="Cassandra"Barrow did a good job on us today . The thing that stopped us playing our fluent game ,was the missed tackles in front of our posts, made by the same two or three players which led to all there tries.'"
Not forgetting the penalties that gave them that field position in the first place.
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| Quote ="The Dors"Not forgetting the penalties that gave them that field position in the first place.'"
Yes but the ref probably missed a lot for both teams and the game flowed as a result.
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| I simply dont agree with the bonus point if you lose you should get nothing. If its not good enough for Super League it shouldnt be good enough for us
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| Quote ="spanishbob"Yes but the ref probably missed a lot for both teams and the game flowed as a result.
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Ha ha! OK you got me! But we gave those penalties away none the less.
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| Quote ="billyfax"With Bonus Points
Halifax 10 9 0 1 393 190 203 0 27
Barrow 11 8 0 3 326 170 156 3 27
Widnes 13 7 0 6 376 278 98 5 26
Toulouse 11 7 0 4 348 302 46 1 22
Featherstone 11 7 0 4 335 271 64 0 21
Whitehaven 12 6 0 6 352 338 14 3 21
Sheffield 11 4 0 7 294 257 37 7 19
Leigh 11 5 0 6 204 285 -81 3 18
Batley 11 3 1 7 230 414 -184 2 13
Gateshead 11 3 1 7 288 419 -131 1 12
Doncaster 10 1 0 9 173 395 -222 3 6
With No Bonus Points (Super League 2pts for win)
Halifax 10 9 0 1 393 190 203 18
Barrow 11 8 0 3 326 170 156 16
Widnes 13 7 0 6 376 278 98 14
Featherstone 11 7 0 4 335 271 64 14
Toulouse 11 7 0 4 348 302 46 14
Whitehaven 12 6 0 6 352 338 14 12
Leigh 11 5 0 6 204 285 -81 10
Sheffield 11 4 0 7 294 257 37 8
Gateshead 11 3 1 7 288 419 -131 6
Batley 11 3 1 7 230 414 -184 6
Doncaster 10 1 0 9 173 395 -222 2
Please tell me what was wrong with the old system. Just look at the old rule table, absolutely no need for a bonus point at all. The RFL have made a typically stupid rule. It just rewards losing, no more then that. It offers nothing for a team that wins. Halifax have won more games then barrow and have a game in hand yet are level on points. Stupid!'" Nothing wrong with the old system But I don't think there's anything wrong with this one either. It rewards teams for keeping going to the end (though the bonus point should be only when you get within, say, 6 points). It doesn't reward losing; it rewards consistency. It's here to stay so get used to it.
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| Quote ="manxviking"Nothing wrong with the old system But I don't think there's anything wrong with this one either. It rewards teams for keeping going to the end (though the bonus point should be only when you get within, say, 6 points). It doesn't reward losing; it rewards consistency. It's here to stay so get used to it.'"
But only for the lower leagues.
It cant be any good, or it would be now used in Superleague, NRL, and BARLA.
Its time it was scrapped or taken up fully
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| After this weekend's results, mainly concerning our's and Barra's, any complaints against the bonus point ?
Considering the 2nd half recovery, I reckon we earned our bonus point yesterday.
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| Scrap it in my opinion just dont like it and like has been said if it was any good it would be used in sl
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| Quote ="ian c"Scrap it in my opinion just dont like it and like has been said if it was any good it would be used in sl'" Well thats cos it,ll cost our team maybe for this season but I still stayed listening till the final whistle yesterday cos I knew it mattered.
Keep it imo and if it costs us tuff.
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| As I mentioned on a previous, similar debate, sooner or later a team will win 12 - 0 and the losing team will get a bonus point. How stupid will that look, getting a bonus point for being nilled?
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| i originally voted a big fat no!
and even after sundays debarcle i still agree. granted we played well in 2nd half! and nearly got all the points, another 5mins who knows, but at half time i was ready for off. just gutted and my point of view is that if you lose [size=150 =blueAND WE ARE IN A PURELY RESULTS BUISINESS[/size you should get naff all!
hell wats next the loser of the grand final by 10 points or less recieves 25% of the prize fund???!!!!
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| When two teams have played the same number of games (12) and one is above the other despite having lost two more and won two less, the failure of the bonus point system is completely and utterly demonstrated.
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| Quote ="Fax Faithful"When two teams have played the same number of games (12) and one is above the other despite having lost two more and won two less, the failure of the bonus point system is completely and utterly demonstrated.'"
Agreed mate, its pants and needs binning.
If Sooper Dooper League won't use it why should we?
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| Some of you lot are stuck that far back in the history of the game you'd have the lads trotting out at Thrum Hall and justify it by saying well it's still better than Salford, Cas & Wakey's grounds and they're in SDL
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| Quote ="marillion man"Some of you lot are stuck that far back in the history of the game you'd have the lads trotting out at Thrum Hall and justify it by saying well it's still better than Salford, Cas & Wakey's grounds and they're in SDL
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I really dont see the reason behind your response. Progress is good, but not for progress sake. The progress has to be be good for the game, and the bonus point certainly isnt good for the game, otherwise it would be used in ALL levels of the game, having shown its worth over the past season.
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| How can anyone justify Sheffield being above Toulouse in the league table?
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| Quote ="Fax Faithful"How can anyone justify Sheffield being above Toulouse in the league table?'"
They've beaten us at our ground this season!!!
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| Quote ="dazednconfused"They've beaten us at our ground this season!!!'"
Look at the league table and you'll see what I mean.
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| the old saying tho isnt it.
why fix summat thats not broken?
do you see it in SL or OZ NO!
so why in ours?!!
to give toulouse and gateshead even more chance of gettin to GF!!??
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| Quote ="marillion man"Some of you lot are stuck that far back in the history of the game you'd have the lads trotting out at Thrum Hall and justify it by saying well it's still better than Salford, Cas & Wakey's grounds and they're in SDL
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Col but for me I do not see what progress to the game a Bonus Point brings. And if we must have it why not all the Leagues? There are many things that need sorting in our game before we start looking at Bonus Points but the RFL have no interest. The standards of Match Officials for one. The same rules for ALL clubs being another. And there are many more besides. I see no reason why a losing team should get a bonus point. A loser deserves nothing!
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| Quote ="The Lucky Black Cat"Col but for me I do not see what progress to the game a Bonus Point brings. And if we must have it why not all the Leagues? There are many things that need sorting in our game before we start looking at Bonus Points but the RFL have no interest. The standards of Match Officials for one. The same rules for ALL clubs being another. And there are many more besides. I see no reason why a losing team should get a bonus point. A loser deserves nothing!'"
Tell me what will, or how we will ever improve match officials ?
Never ever in the history of the game have they had so much support from the governing bodies, the money that SKY has poured into RL at the top tier is obscene, yet it brought the technology of the video ref to judge on contentious try scoring acts, yet they still get them wrong on a regular basis !!!
The guys are fitness tested to decent standards, well paid and supported with in-goal t/j's and all the crap that goes with it, yet the game is played at too quick a pace for both the mind and the body of the officials.
Going back to the BP, my simple answer is that too many fixtures become one-sided affairs and the game comes under the banner of the "entertainment business", it's simple to me, it keeps an interest in the game when teams could withdraw their key players to hold them back for future matches when going behind in games and not attempt to stay within a chance of retrieving something from a fixture.
Why award 3 points for a league match victory, what was wrong with 2 points for a win ?
Why do the home & away team get equal league points for a drawn game when surely the away team deserve more for their efforts ?
Why do NRC semi finals have a home & away team and not play at a neutral venue ?
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