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| Quote ="Mr Dog"Actually they can play for both if they've played enough games (8 I think), less than that one or the other only'"
Yep, you're right. Play 8 games for the DR club and you can play for either club. Bonkers!
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| Quote ="HXSparky"Yep, you're right. Play 8 games for the DR club and you can play for either club. Bonkers!'"
Really? Has that changed from last season? It really is a joke if that's the case!
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| Quote ="Fax4Life"We only used it twice last season and we signed one of the players more or less straight away Connor Robinson so not the same at all, in fact from the middle to the end of the season we did NOT use DR at all.'"
irrelevant, you partnered Hull KR last season end off
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| Quote ="gingdong"irrelevant, you partnered Hull KR last season end off'"
Yep, we used DR, it's like being pregnant, you either are or you aren't, you can't be a bit pregnant.
I do hope though that we are never pregnant again.
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| Quote ="gingdong"irrelevant, you partnered Hull KR last season end off'"
My point being yes we did DR with Hull KR last season but we hardly used it unlike teams like Fev who last year had up to 4 Wakey players at one time playing and this year likewise with Leeds players.
I am gald we have not gone down that road as whilst it looks like paying of for you this year possibly I would not be happy if it was us tbh
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| Quote ="Iggy79"Really? Has that changed from last season? It really is a joke if that's the case!'"
From the RFL operational rules...
C1:2:6
Subject to the other provisions of this Operational Rule, once a Player has played for any
Club in any Competition (other than the Reserve Team Programme of Matches) after the
end of the Super League or Championship Regular Season (or after Round 1 of the League
1 Super 8s and League 1 Shield), whether that be the Club with whom he is registered, the
Club he is Dual Registered to or the Club to which he is on Loan, he shall only be able to
play for that Club for the remainder of the Season and shall not be entitled to play for any
other Club in any Competition (other than the Reserve Team Programme of Matches).
The above provision shall not apply to Dual Registered Players who have played 8 or more
Matches for their Dual Registered Club before: (i) in the case of Championship Clubs, the
end of the Regular Season; and (ii) in the case of League 1 Clubs, the completion of Round
1 of the League 1 Super 8s or League 1 Shield, who shall be entitled to continue to play
for the Club to which they are registered and the Club to which they are Dual Registered
after the above date.
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| So how many Leeds players have played 8 games for Fev?
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| Quote ="Norman Bates"So how many Leeds players have played 8 games for Fev?'"
Only Baldwinson, and in practice there's very little chance of him being selected for Leeds in the middle 8s as he wasn't making their squad even when their pack was decimated with injuries. He's pretty much been a Fev player in everything but name this year. Dunno if Leeds would let him play for us if we made the middle 8s but I doubt he's going to play for them again either way.
There are two or three others who would be eligible for Fev or Leeds having played 3+ games for Fev but it's doubtful Leeds would release those guys for the middle 8s if we made it as they wouldn't be eligible to play for Leeds if they had another injury crisis.
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| Quote ="The Phantom Horseman"Only Baldwinson, and in practice there's very little chance of him being selected for Leeds in the middle 8s as he wasn't making their squad even when their pack was decimated with injuries. He's pretty much been a Fev player in everything but name this year. Dunno if Leeds would let him play for us if we made the middle 8s but I doubt he's going to play for them again either way.
There are two or three others who would be eligible for Fev or Leeds having played 3+ games for Fev but it's doubtful Leeds would release those guys for the middle 8s if we made it as they wouldn't be eligible to play for Leeds if they had another injury crisis.'"
Cheers.
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| I cant even blame Fev for using dual reg, money is obviously tight for them and if you can get some players that are capable of performing better than Championship players and for free then you cant really blame them. Its not Fev that are broke its the system.
Its sad but I think the best we can now hope for is Fev to beat Bradford which should level down Bradford again next season and gives Fev the chance to get their finances sorted while hopefully not improving their squad too much. If its the other way around I fear for both us and Fev as I expect Leigh, Bradford, and london all to be better next season.
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| Think DR is on borrowed time.There's a growing outcry at lack of super league reserve sides from respected sources Lee Briers for example.Also it can't be lost on clubs with reserve sides,that the 4 clubs that have one,Saints,Wigan,Wire and Hull make up the top 4 english clubs in s/l.
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| In any head to head, what about having the DR players from the clubs involved play one half for the parent club and one half for the other.
HA to hell with it lets not stop there just pull alternate club coloured balls out of a hat and split both teams half and half for the full game, fits in with the other pantomime RFL backed ideas.
Probably won't happen unless the Aussies do it first.
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| It has helped Featherstone this season. If it's there why not use it. We had it with Hull KR last season and we didn't have to use their players. If we had the DR still it could have potentially helped us in reaching that top 4 this season.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"I cant even blame Fev for using dual reg, money is obviously tight for them and if you can get some players that are capable of performing better than Championship players and for free then you cant really blame them. Its not Fev that are broke its the system.
Its sad but I think the best we can now hope for is Fev to beat Bradford which should level down Bradford again next season and gives Fev the chance to get their finances sorted while hopefully not improving their squad too much. If its the other way around I fear for both us and Fev as I expect Leigh, Bradford, and london all to be better next season.'"
Good points, do Toulouse get promoted yet?
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| Quote ="gingdong"irrelevant, you partnered Hull KR last season end off'"
Aye we did and what did it achieve? We ended up signing one very ordinary player, who we could have got without DR, gave another player a thirty minute run out to get fit and sullied the great name of Halifax RLFC forever. WOW!
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| Quote ="mr t hall"Think DR is on borrowed time.There's a growing outcry at lack of super league reserve sides from respected sources Lee Briers for example.Also it can't be lost on clubs with reserve sides,that the 4 clubs that have one,Saints,Wigan,Wire and Hull make up the top 4 english clubs in s/l.'"
has to be got rid of at end of season. also make it compulsory SL teams have reserve sides.
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| Fev take too much advantage to this d/r or loan system quite a few leeds players every week. didnt that abdull from hull play against us aswell as craven from widnes at blackpool taking the really get your own squad instead of using everyone elses.......
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| DR is a joke and I'm proud of what we have achieved with our own squad.
But...... Don't we DR players to other clubs and we've just had our season ended by a team that used DR better than we didn't.....
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| Quote ="freddies wig"DR is a joke and I'm proud of what we have achieved with our own squad.
But...... Don't we DR players to other clubs and we've just had our season ended by a team that used DR better than we didn't.....'"
I refer to gingdong's post earlier. He pointed out rovers were happy urge all clubs outside of sl to opt out of the dual reg system.
However, if just one club uses it another will use it in an attempt to balance out that "advantage". Though hunslet donny swinton and york fans might disagree as to exactly what advantage fielding dual reg players gave them.
Best scenario is that we all say no. I doubt it will happen.
Next year fax are likely to have reduced funding = a leaner squad.
I dont know what the fax club approach to using dual reg will be next year.... but if using quality SL players in your team that actually gets you those points lost this season in Cumbria and v oldham.. do you think they will be tempted to use it more extensively.... or do you think they might opt out in 2017?
I hate the system.
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| I don't like DR at all, but.....
You take a clear stance and don't use it and tell your fans
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You take a clear stance and do use it and tell your fans.
Fax appear to be in the second category and in that case our use of it has not produced any clear benefits. Bad coaches choices?
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| Here's the thing: there's the thick end of half a million prize money difference between doing very well and doing quite well in the Championship nowadays. Regardless of whether you agree with DR or not, if them's the rules, and you're the chairman pumping thousands upon thousands into your club, you're going to do whatever you can within the rules to give your team the best chance of winning one of those bigger prize money chunks.
And to the fella who said get your own squad rather than using everyone else's, what about Salford's Sarsfield and Castleford's Boyle, whilst the likes of Saxton/Smeaton/Maneely/Robinson etc were farmed off elsewhere?
To be honest I don't think there's a team in the Championship that can get holier-than-thou over DR. Every team has used it I think (inwardly or outwardly), hardly any fans like it, but it's what we're stuck with at the moment.
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| There is a big difference between the loan market-which has universal approval-and DR.
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| Quote ="mr t hall"There is a big difference between the loan market-which has universal approval-and DR.'"
People keep saying this, but in practice is there that much difference? I know at one stage, at least, Sarsfield's deal was a week-to-week and he could be recalled at any time. I also seem to remember Craven suddenly being recalled by Widnes when he was with you last season.
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| Take our situation for example,Marshall controls what he wants on loans either 1/3 months or extended with recall clauses.Yes they can be a gamble,but that's always been the case.What we don't want is HKR telling us we have to play Robinson and Cox on sunday as they need a game.
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| Loans are different. The player has to be there at least 28 days. The club knows he's available.
DR - you don't know til Thursday at best.
It's a nonsense - return to the system that stood us in good stead for over 100 years.
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