Can anyone anywhere tell me one good thing that the franchise system has achieved?

But that is because the Championship Clubs are geting a great deal less money.
3yrs ago if they had allowed Widnes up do you think they would have done worse than Crusaders even allowing for all the money they threw at them ?
So is it fair to change rules in order to keep the clubs in that they want and deliberatly keep clubs out who may do better than Crusaders , Paris, Gateshead and now Tolouse in for as long as they can till it goes pear shaped.

We are also not saying that everything in the press release is perfect they are just an expeession of how many fans feel, what we want to do is stimulate discussion because everyone is frightened to death of speaking out against the RFL so in that respect it`s worked.

Catalan Dragons

It is hard to work when you have a part time league team joining a full time league. Theres no time to bring players in as most have been snapped up and unless your team is very good and can make the step up like HKR did then its destined to be a failure.

I think there has to be a happy medim somewhere though.

+1 to not liking the tag line. Every time i read it i think, i dont actually hate RL, but it could be taken to mean that quite easily. Im also of the belief that simple P&R cant work in RL as it is at the moment. As has been said im more about the process been fair and transparent.

So i think its a good idea in principal i just think it needs a bit of tweaking.

I agree, not keen on the hate word, how about:

Championship clubs hate segregation, give us back super league relegation.

How about having a large RFL printed on a t-shirt with the word 'FAIL' across it as though it had been rubber-stamped?

Absolutely, that's spot on. As I say because of the 'current RL climate' I think the RFL have, for the past few years, been making SL stronger and the Champs weaker (plus wasting money on s**te clubs and not lower leagues) because they want a 'shut shop'. Back when there was P&R as Leyther Matt alluded to you could still go up and down a bit easier but simply switching back to that is not as easy nowadays, all through the RFL's fault.

Either way, tag line or not, yours and the ST's idea is spot on and just in doing so so the protest and pressure group is still well recieved over here.

Listen guys the campaign is launched and our aim was to be thought provoking and controversial to give us a voice. Irrespective of the words Love / Hate etc, I do hate what the RFL have done to the game, my club and the general fan and more importantly the heartlands. I hate the lies and the corrupt behaviour of a nameless few. We will never get everyone on side with the campaign name but it is achieving it's intended response!!

What matters is what we do next, ensuring we work collectively and how we go about it as a group. We as The Trust will lead this and hopefully gain some momentum and support as we move along.

The meeting on Monday should should provide us with an idea of how much local support we have and how much noise RL Fans want to make.

I like this one .

I like this one. Maybe work in a licencing theme somewhere.

Could list all the RFL experiments that didn't work as well (or at least things/CLubs that have failed with the RFL's input)

i think the word 'hate' is also a big risk!

it could come across as childish and bitter, but then again i do 'hate' the way the RFL have handled this whole expansion/franchising affair!

so i will back it,

sitting back silent will get us nowhere! well done

Forget the name of the campaign if you don't like it. It's what it/we represent that's important!! We want our Sport back without dictation and a game ran by a transparent governing body who don't constantly move the goal posts!! Thus is what are campaign is about BACK US AND YOUR CLUB!!

Good luck Chris.

I just feel, in the cold light of day that our SL licence application up against a SL club's application would lose out every time. Even against crusaders! That is where we, and all championship clubs need to attack this from.

Also the fact that the RFL changed the rules re adminstration to protect crusaders and inadvertantly saved wakefield. Someone needs to ask who would have gone if crusaders hadn't folded.

Also how crusaders can be such a shambles when being run by the RFL.

Last and no means least - they need to be asked what they plan for our competition - if anything at all. An ill planned attempt to place a french expansion team in there? Fail! How many teams will be in our league next year? Fail. Six games to go and no-one knows what there is to play for in the championships! Fail.

Let's not look bitter, let's show the world what a shambles lewis and wood are! Please, drop the hate and forget about us not getting a licence/promoted and use the RFL's other incompetences against them!

Exactly mate hence why our campaign is about bringing back P&R and ridding our game of this franchising debacle. A return to a sport and excitement!!

This press release is brilliant. As a Leigh fan I have being going on about the same since the licence system started.

I for one will be fully supporting this challenge.

We must hold the RFL to account about their decisions, inconsistencies and lack of transparency.

To do nothing is not an option.

This will make the RFL sit up and listen. I feel sure there is a huge support for the re-intriduction of P&R.

Strangely enough, a big part of me would be very happy of we got into super league via a licence. Knowing that everything we'd need to survive is place. Not going for broke to try and get promoted.

Of course the whole licensing thing would have to be run in the correct manner. That is a whole different story!

Slash the entrance prices for this game too please

While I agree with the principal points raised, I have too many reasons to not want to be involved in this.

Is the Trust been used as a vehicle to carry this "Hate RFL Love P&R Thing"?

The trust has done well raising money over the past year for the u23s (and years gone by for other things) and could potentially damage its reputation.

Is this activity in the interests of a Supporters Trust? Supporters Direct mission statement reads - [i"Our goal is to promote sustainable spectator sports clubs based on supporters' involvement & community ownership"[/i. This to me is nothing to do with the running of the club and the like, and would possibly be better placed as an activity for the supporters club.

Its everything the Trust is all about Brew. Its acting as the voice of the supporters of which a large majority I would confidently guess are miffed about the whole franchise process.

i posted this on the VT,

we could start a 'HATE Stevo' campaign while we're at it!

in all seriousness as a fax fan i see the word 'hate' as a mistake, so soon after our decline of a franchise. however, i do believe that the supporters trust are doing this for the right reasons and not just 'sour grapes'.

Halifax ST know that the RFL aint going to change their minds, but what this campaign might do, live on sky, is get the voice out for fans below SL.

this time Fax missed out, we still havent heard why? but many on here believe its because our bid wasnt good enough, maybe that was the case. But i believe it was because the RFL saw big money Glover and rubbed their hands!

this campaign, if carried out correctly will let the world know that the RL community that choose to support it could make a difference.

the differnce that needs to be made in my opinion is new people in charge of our great sport, people that dont gamble with Rugby league's reputation and gamble on its future, expansion worked with Catalans and i aplaud that, but can any true RL fan say they think its going to catch on anywhere else??!

North east - failed
2ns french team (toulouse) - failed
paris - failed
wales - failed
london - failed (my opinion)

Lewis and Wood have tried......and now its time to let someone else with new ideas in!

give us our sport back!!!!!!!!

Bloody hell, sounds like a massive flat capper fest this, not sure if ill bother going now as i dont want a banner sticking in my face.

You can hand your flat cap in at the end of the season when you enter the "promised" land.

Whilst I agree with the cause, I agree with the others who have questioned the name of the campaign. "Hate RFL" means "Hate Rugby Football League", which I presume none of us do. Whilst some may claim to "Hate the Rugby Football League" this is highly emotive, and makes the campaign look like it is by people who are bitter and twisted, rather than having an objective concern for the future of their sport.

I appreciate the campaign has been launched, but is it not possible to reflect on the campaign title and change it to something which actually reflects the cause rather than the emotion.