Just wondering if anyone with any experience could be kind enough to help.

Applying for a salaried role for when I finish uni in the summer. The application has the usual employment history request but also asks for an 'annual salary' for each position. The previous jobs I've had have either been at training level or run of the mill dead-end sort of jobs where I was on an hourly rate, not a salary as such.

What would be the best thing to put in the box in question? Would I try and estimate whatever the figure would be for my yearly salary, e.g. weekly wage x 52, or do I simply just put in the box whatever my terms of pay were as they were set out on my contract e.g. £xx.xx p/h.

Thanks in advance.

Think I put my hourly rate in the box, similar to what you have said at the end, trying to work out your "salary" would be a pain in the .

But I would also mention it in the info you have to put about where you worked that it wasn't a salaried position but an hourly wage basis.

thanks broady

No worries, I'm not totally clued up on that so maybe someone else will get on here with abit more info for you.

Hope you get the job

"£negotiable"

Is it normal for a business to advertise a salaried position to graduates and not mention what the salary is going to be, even a vague indication of a range of remuneration ?

At least he knows who he's hoping to work for. Plenty of jobs on the Universal Jobmatch site (jobcentre plus website) don't tell you the name of the employer or where it is other than a city name. And often don't tell you the hours of work.

I watched a Billy Connolly video on Youtube last night where he ranted about checking in at an airport and how "Back in t'day" you turned up, bought your ticket, they gave you your ticket, asked you where you wanted to sit, you pointed to a plan and they tore off a sticker from the plan with your seat number on it, stuck it to your ticket and that was that, no-one could sell that seat again because there was no sticker for it !

His point was - it worked, it couldn't fail to work unless all the stickers fell off the plan.

The JobCentres used to have a similar system, they got job vacancies rung into them, they wrote out a card, they described the job, the pay, where it was and the hours, they had lines to fill in on the card so they had to give you that information, a person took the call and asked those questions and if the employer said "I don't know" to the question "How much per hour are you offering" or "Dont know" to "Where is the job located" then the card was binned - those cards then got displayed on boards and when someone wanted to apply fot he job - well you know the rest.

Do things work better now ?

Yeah I've seen that!

of course that was before airlines were allowed to over-sell flights!


Lol. No, no they don't! At least not from my albeit limited experience of the jobcentres. I help a friend of mine who's currently unemployed. She struggles with her hearing and isn't the most confident of people so she likes to have someone with her when she goes to the jobcentre etc so I help out when I can.
She's required to apply for 10 jobs per week. Which isn't a problem, anyone who's saying they can't find 10 jobs to apply for per week really isn't trying, but she's required to use the Universal Jobmatch website, which is just useless. It has some decent jobs but the vast majority are from agencies which don't tell you the name of the employer, where the workplace is and often don't tell you the hours of work. Which is off-putting when you're applying for a job that you know very, very little about and especially so when the jobcentres are desperate to find any reason to sanction a persons benefits. Also it's difficult to change the CV you use on the site, so it's difficult to tailor your CV toward a specific job.
Unfortunately she gets very little assistance from the job centre. Calling it a job centre is the wrong description really, it's a benefits eligibility checking centre. They don't help you find a job they just make you jump through certain hoops so that they can say you've done this, that and the other and then you can get your benefits.
For instance, she has A-Levels in both Maths and English yet was still sent on an English & Maths Functional Skills course for 4 weeks. A complete waste of time and money for everyone involved, when what she needs is courses that help her with interviews etc to get her confidence up.
Whilst I'm on a rant about jobcentres I might as well say how ridiculous it is that any money she earns from small jobs she gets is deducted from her benefits. Which doesn't really encourage you to take a low hours job or one-time job because you're not going to be financially better off, in fact probably worse off when adding in travelling costs.
Oh and the amount of jobs that are zero hours or low guaranteed hours (say 8 hours per week) that require you to be available every day of the week is ridiculous too.

That's what I did when applying for jobs after uni. They'll understand that you haven't yet been in a salaried job.

I was on seekers for a month when focus shut down a couple of years ago, I agree that the online job terminals are a waste of time and energy, have to input your preferred job and what skills you have then will sometime come up with the most random suggestions, kid you not I was suggested to be a wig maker even though I had no experience of any type of manufacturing or even textile work.

Think if I remember correctly I was told to get my allowance which was £100 for the whole month, I had to prove that I had applied for a certain number of jobs, now they never mentions I had to have a cats hope in hell of getting the job just that I had applied so I'm pretty sure some of those who go there apply for what ever comes up even if they can't do that job and if they get a an interview don't plan for it and maybe don't even try to get the job.

The dregs who went into the centre near my house, and they wondered why they couldn't get a job, I think I applied for what ever I could that I had experience in (mainly customer service roles, and labouring jobs) got a reply from one even though I am a uni graduate with a fairly decent degree, had two meetings with my "advisor" who when I arrived late for one meeting (I was at a job interview before and it took me a while to get back) wasn't best pleased I was be leaving job seekers, as I was given that job. Hated having to go there made me feel like I had failed when I took me a while to get a job so I blanket cv'd the retail parks and any shop I could find.

The role of the Jo Centre + has changed over the last 4 years. Their main aim was always to find you a job. Now their aim is to trick people and sanction as many as possible to hit "targets" and manipulate unemployment figures:- www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... stleblower

The role of the Jo Centre + has changed over the last 4 years. Their main aim was always to find you a job. Now their aim is to trick people and sanction as many as possible to hit "targets" and manipulate unemployment figures:- www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... stleblower

more utter bollox from RLFans left wing = shock

You remind me of IDS - the evidence is there in black and white (I doubt a whistleblower would go through what they did if there wasn't an ounce of truth in it)...........you just keep denying it.

the sooner people accept that nobody owes anyone anything, you get what you WORK for, the better

That includes the tax cheats who sit on their collective backsides drinking champagne etc. reaping the rewards of hard working people who ACTUALLY CREATE THE WEALTH so it can be stolen by these lazy layabouts who do SFA.
That is who you are talking about.

Rather a strange comment to throw into a thread about someone trying hard to find work and asking for advice on how to go about that aim.

If its anything like the old days, you simply think of a salary that you would like to realistically earn for the job you are applying for, and knock £500-£1000 off it - Put this figure in the box where they are asking your present/last job salary and then if you impress enough in the interview, you will inevitably be offered that original figure you thought of.

Worked for me on several occasions....

Which bit?
The bit where people are trying to find work?
Or the bit where jobcentres aren't doing much to help them?

The above is about right.
Or put grown-ups on courses where they have to build a free-standing tower out of just four sheets of A4, sellotape and a paper stapler.

I was out of work for 8 months recently and had to do the Jobcentre/directgov shizzle.....someone i know who works for another local Government department told me the reason they dont always put the company name and hours etc is to stop people going directly to that company rather than via the agency who want paying for setting you on.

That's what I'd assumed, it still doesn't encourage people or give them confidence to apply when you don't even know who for or where you'll be working. Especially those who either can't drive or don't own a car.

That, and often the company in question don't actually want candidates coming directly, and prefer to pay agencies to vet candidates before sending them for interview, rather than spending god knows how long sorting out advertising, sifting through CVs, arranging and conducting interviews, etc. You will pretty much always find out the name of the company before going to interview - you have to, otherwise how will you find them?! The same is also generally true when applying via any recruitment agency.

Some recruitment agencies are great at finding high quality candidates while others will send anyone in the hope of gaining commission. Of course it also depends on the role up for grabs.

I had a couple of months doing the jobcentre bit last year when a new job I took fell through (nearly launched the MD through the window before leaving). Found the process a fairly harmless experience. The Directgov universal jobmatch site is actually not bad, seems to act as a 'job supermarket', sourcing from several good commercial sites.

One observation is that they actually did very little for me apart from directing me to universal jobmatch. That could be because I've got a strong CV and was already attending 2nd/3rd stage interviews for several vacancies, but 30 seconds a fortnight to sign on was all it came down to. They were efficient and friendly enough.

I had to do this as part of an Assessment Day with the law firm I'm working at now.

The job centre are useless. I had to sign on for a few months when I was made redundant from my last job and my 'advisor' (who never actually advised me on anything) was one of the most useless people I've come across. A lot of the people sat on the other side of the desk from him on a daily basis would probably have done a better job than he did.

One time when I told him about an interview I had lined up, in his usual professional manner, he said 'They don't give a monkey's what job you get, they just want you off benefits'. Another time I arrived early for my usual 2-weekly meeting and got a call outside the door, offering me an interview. I walked in 3 minutes late and had to show my call history and a confirmation email I'd received as proof, otherwise I probably would have been sanctioned.