Everything will start to get interesting in the next couple of months, with November looking like everyone will have to reach some agreement and is anyone going to see the Brexit that they thought that they had voted for ?
Ireland is still a right old mess and could yet be Mrs May's undoing.
Tory leadership challengers are starting to mill around like the field for the Aintree Grand National before the start and we now seem to have more Tory rebels than "believers".
As Brexit gets ever closer, it will be interesting to see who is leading the Torys and who is leading the country when we finally wave goodbye.

We've seen plenty already, but I predict a few more 'heads on sticks' before, during, and after March 2019.

What a pitiful position we're in!

So basically we've got May's Chequers fiasco or Mogg & Co's No Deal nirvana.

I'm truly sick of the whole debacle & a small part of me actually wants the latter, just to see pain & suffering inflicted on the idiots who wanted out.

But what do I know, it's all going to be rosy, in the future when all's well.

We haven't got the Chequers proposal as the EU have rejected it. The options are Canada deal, Norway deal, or No deal. They were always the options. Any other proposals from anyone are doomed.

Unless somehow we end up staying in.

Whilst losing the will to live regarding Brexit, I thought she had stated that the Chequers proposal was the only plan on the table, other than the dreaded "No Deal" of course?

Indeed it is but, I think there will be a plan B in the next couple of weeks.

I still find it incredible that a decent plan wasnt made 18 months ago, instead of 2 months since.
We should have had a clear strategy and plan before the start of negotiations and not left ourselves scratching our head for ideas when the deadline is upon us.
Our negotiations have looked amateurish and chaotic from day 1 and unless there are some huge concessions on both sides, "no deal" looks ever more likely.

The best and only hope now is that Mrs May persists with her schoolmaam posturing around the Chequers deal, which is and always was impossible for the EU 27 to accept, and it triggers a GE; Mr Corbyn sweeps in, extends the deadline for Article 50 to allow further negotiations, then has a People's Vote, with Remain included as an option.

Then we can repair and rebuild, and never speak of this again.

The issue will never go away and IF the Tories hadnt been so afraid of the Mr Farage, we would have all carried on without the referendum, fighting to improve the world from within a powerful trading bloc.
We are likely to become the pariah's of Western Europe, like deprived kids peering in through the window of the local sweet shop.
It will be really interesting to see all the magical new deals made with countries outside of the EU though

Everything you say is correct, but May is gaining huge sympathy thanks to her odious friends in the right wing gutter press playing the race & xenophobia card blaming the nasty forriners for not meeting her half way despite the EU's position being consistent on the key issues.

The thing with the whole Brexit negotiations is that it will only come together at the last minute and it's difficult to read exactly what is going on.
Much of the "noise" from both sides is political posturing with bluff and counter bluff.
The one certainty is that we would have been far better placed working out our aims before negotiations started.
It's bloody ridiculous that the cabinet only worked out it's plan Chequers a few weeks ago, over 2 years since the referendum and all because Mr Cameron was so arrogant as to believe that the UK would vote "remain".
They should have had a plan for both outcomes.

The problem of course, is that the whole thing has been a proxy for the internecine battels within the Conservative party - which has meant that rather than prepare for the negotiations, a lot of time has been wasted on internal party politics.

Indeed and it's still on going.
Remember Mrs May's mantra "strong & stable", what a load of nonsense.

As an ex-pat who has no real interest in the results of this fiasco (other than the sale of my last property in London before it happens), here's my tenpenneth's worth.

The majority....as in the most people who voted, who voted leave voted that way due to a heavy media bias, latent racism, anti-muslim rhetoric, false claims about revenue to the EU and basically because they were swept along on a jingoistic wave of Rule Britannia.
The Minority...as in the fewer people who voted remain did so because they didn't really want change, didn't believe the lies and were slightly ashamed of some of the rhetoric from the right waving Union flags, but most of all liked their lives and were't going to be fooled in blaming the state of the economy on johnny foreigner.

Now......fast forward 2 years and
a/ if the second vote happens, the "winners" will still all pretty much still vote the same way, but the losers will be out in twice the numbers, so Leave will lose by 2/1......and you'll be as close to a Civil War in Britain as you could ever imagine.
or
b/ if the Tories drive the bus over the cliff, then by the time the damage is undone to the UK economy, we'll all be pushing up daisys, as will our kids, their kids and probably their after them.

The solution? I hear Canada is quite a nice place to live...

Any room in New Zealand?

Presumably they have no problem taking middle aged white people?

Correct, once ‘we’ voted to leave be that rightly or wrongly, and whether the MP’s agreed with it or not they were elected and have a duty to represent the people, they should be doing their upmost to assist in obtaining the best possible Brexit for the Britain. If for whatever reasons they feel they can’t do that then there are other careers available.

It's a fair point - but with such a close result and 'the people' being virtually split down the middle, that's quite an ask; no matter your position, half of your constituents will feel you're not representing their views. Not to mention that overwhelming evidence that has since emerged that the referendum result was secured through dishonesty and illegal practices. On that basis, I'm fairly relaxed about some MP's opposing Brexit - it could be argued that its the more democratic attitude.

And that's quite aside from the fact that there is no such thing as a good Brexit - let alone the land of milk and honey that various charlatans talked about 2 years ago.

I'd be quite happy to see the whole thing reset and a new vote held, based on the information that has since become available; it seems reasonable and entirely democratic to put the deal, or lack of, to the people, together with an option to remain, and ask them again.

As you know from the tone of my (many) posts, I voted remain and was as hacked of an anyone with the lies and deceit during the campaign, especially from the leave side.
However, much as the thought of being outside the EU is a worry and my personal fears for the economy are closer to the cliff edge than some kind of economic miracle (whereby we achieve some growth in our economy post Brexit), unless there was a second vote, with a landslide majority in either direction (and I dont believe this will be the case), nobody will be satisfied with the result and the "losing" side will want to push for some kind of "3rd time lucky" vote.

Again, much as it goes against my personal preferences, the government, along with the leave supporters should have got on with exiting the EU and if this meant a hard border between N. Ireland and Eire, then so be it.

We (the UK) are allowing The EU to call all of the shots and we will be so far from any kind of "good" deal, it's just criminal.
However a second or third vote wont help and the uncertainty within business is not helping anyone.

Unfortunately Cameron and May between them have made a right royal mess of the whole thing and we will all have the "pleasure" of dealing with the fallout.

Hard border in Ireland would mean a return to the troubles within months. That's a price to high to pay.

Sorry Wrencat, but that's a ridiculously trite way to dismiss the prospect of a return to conflict in NI - which is what would happen if a hard border was implemented.

The "just get on with it" argument is childishly simplistic - and if the past 2 years have taught anyone anything, it's that there wasn't and never will be a straightforward way to leave the EU; something which the dullards who promoted it appear to have wilfully misunderstood.

Started well then fell apart in the second sentence when you presumed to know why people had voted leave.
Here's my tenpennorth. If there is a second vote then only the people that voted leave should get a vote on whether they agree with the terms or not. Clearly there cannot be a vote on whether people agree with the terms when 48% have already said they wouldn't agree to any terms that mean we leave. On the other hand I would change my vote and choose stay. Nothing to do with any terms but because it has now been shown that we do not have any politicians of any colour that are capable of running a bath let alone a country.

Yes..... And if you have a particular skillset they don't care about your creed, colour or age.

Britain is on a hiding to nothing now in terms of brexit and that bulldog spirit of 1939 doesn't exist anymore...... So it's either grin and bear it or draw a line under it..... But as others have said. A second vote won't be enough for some.......

It may be virtually split down the middle, there are MP’s with marginal seats should they have to stand for re-election, at what point does the majority carry? I’m too lazy (and at work) to look it up but wasn’t it over a Million?

I wish the MP’s spent as much time concentrating on getting us as good a deal as possible as they do moaning about it. We voted get on with it.

I may be missing things but I don’t think we are putting enough pressure on the European MP’s from within, I don’t see Manuel the Spanish tomato grower worrying about all the UK sales he’s going to lose if we don’t get a trade deal, as the UK is now in negotiations for a better trade agreement with say South Africa.



Agreed, as we are in negotiations what is the Irish Governments proposal?

While you can argue that the people have spoken, even if it is for a disaster, I look forward to the next time a non-right wing Government is voted in & the right wing & Nazi supporting press, along with the Tory MPs, work their socks off to give unyielding support to the new Government of the day & the democratic wishes of the people.

Give us back the 6 countries and we promise that all the protestants you brits put here under the plantation of ulster will retain their rights?
And as I recall... The IRA weren't bombing Dublin and the Irish didn't vote brexit so
basically its a problem that's British made and therefore needs a British solution.
The EU don't need to negotiate but Britain does..... And quickly.