Labour haven't yet started bribing opposition candidates, something which is illegal and yet again, shows how far the Tories, with Boris at the help and Cummings in the backroom, will stoop.
We now know what "do or die translates to".
Not content with proroguing Parliament, they are offering to "pay" the opposition not to stand.

They have always said that politics is a murky business and it certainly is at the moment.

Much as I despise Ann Widdecombe's views, I do believe that she has been tapped up.
Her comment was that she "would swear on the bible", which for her makes it serious, for others in her former party, probably not.

Really? Could have sworn you said:


Sorry but your post was most certainly one that claimed that


If you're going to attempt to patronise someone, be careful that you dont end up looking like an idiot...

Riiiiiight. Take your medication.

I was discussing the reaction to an anti-EU poster using a genuine picture (confirmed by the photographer) of mass uncontrolled migration flooding through the Balkans, and of how the snowflake left - as usual - went on the attack with name calling and vitriol rather than focusing on the crisis itself; ideological denial.

You reply with a rant about a bus, old folks at the GP, and then make yourself look a little daft with your blatantly wrong accusations about the bank bailout. You make a lot of mistakes on here, don't you.

But I'll humour you. Are you saying the poster featured a doctored, untrue or incorrect picture? Or that it [iwasn't[/i directly aimed at the EU and their failure to manage the crisis?

Let me guess, from the link your posted you're going to say we could have controlled immigration all along? That would have been difficult considering mass immigration was [url=https://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/mar/24/how-immigration-came-to-haunt-labour-inside-storyLabour government policy[/url from late 2000, and anyone who questioned this policy was shouted down as racist. This is also why the UK was one of only 3 EU countries (with Ireland & Sweden) that decided not to impose labour access restrictions on A8 citizens in 2004. Guess where those citizens went?

Labour and their civil servants were desperate to drive 'diversity', in the knowledge that immigrants are generally more likely to vote Labour. Remember Gordon Brown's 'bigoted woman' comment? That was almost a decade later, still disregarding and attacking the legitimate concerns of the electorate. Even now, any attempt to stiffen immigration rules results in cries of racism by those who [iSTILL [/ipretend everything is rosy.

Don't believe me? Migration, 10 year comparison, aligned to Labour taking office:
1988-1997: 345,000 net (2.8m gross)
1998-2007: 2,070,000 net (5.2m gross)

Not really, you come out with some many meaningless tropes it's hard to respond to them all. But if missed appointments is your biggest argument against the NHS it's pretty obvious you're on weak ground. Spend vs results is the metric to use and our relatively meagre spend produces great value for money.


Ah silly me I'd forgotten your backstop response would be that people should just pay for it if they get struck down by illness. Your lack of empathy for or even it seems comprehension of the existence of anyone who can't afford £1,000 surgery is sadly unsurprising.

People love the NHS precisely because it irons out the risk you would seek to place back on the shoulders of the poorest and most vulnerable in society.

I absolutely agree with your last point - but if the service cant cope then you need to seek out alternatives - if those that can afford it take pressure off the NHS then surely that is a good thing and will help the poorest & most vulnerable access vital services quicker?

Yes they have its just more subtle - you follow Labour on twitter and they directly point out candidates that shouldn't stand in marginal seats. Activists such as Owen Jones are at it all the time. If you think its only the Tories that are at this you are delusional.

So what do you want? Starve it of funding so that it's so bad that only the poorest will be willing to wait long enough, assuming they don't die first?

Means test healthcare?

How about we fund it properly instead of going down such vicious routes?

Almost all of them? I know the Daily Mail likes to paint a picture of a nation of dole scrounging layabouts bleeding you rich folks dry with their non stop loitering in A&E but you're not supposed to take it seriously.

In reality medial professionals would rather people consult doctors if they are concerned, even if it turns out to be nothing. That identifies serious problems at an early stage. This isn't rocket science even if it doesn't match your dystopic view of your fellow citizens.

If you can afford to access private medical care then that is a much preferable way forward and it takes pressure off the health service - win win all round. I am not suggesting we move to an insurance based system as the US - but those that can afford it should be encouraged to invest in insurance.

I see the NHS wants to change the way the 4 hour target is measured to accurately reflect what A&E should be for - surely the identification of serious issues is what you GP is for not A&E?

If we maintained health spending at the same level maybe, but no doubt you Tories would want to slash it further claiming reduced demand. I'm fortunate I can get a GP appointment pretty easily but I know millions of other can't. Which is why...


... people go to A&E because they can't get a GP appointment.

It all comes back to the same thing: your government isn't interested in spending enough money on the NHS to make it a success which in turn gives extremists excuses to pretend that an alternative system would be better. It would be less fair and more expensive. Nobody wants that; just spend the money, increase taxes if need be, to achieve the results everyone wants.

To be clear, my last post was in direct response to you rant that "I had missed the point" when in reality, I had hit the nail on the head. You claimed that there was nothing wrong with the poster, I pointed out that in reality, there was no control issue. Your subsequent rat about "if we'd done that we'd have been called racist" is neither here nor there. The reality is Britain never lost control of its borders, but a picture of Migrants thousands of miles away with the TAKE BACK CONTROL dogma did its job.
You are a racist by the way. Not based on creed or colour I suspect, but more on blaming someone else for the woes you feel are inflicted on you. Once your imaginary fence goes up, you'll turn your attention inwards, to those unfortunate enough to rely on food banks, government benefits and other "hand outs".

FACT. Britain never lost control of it's borders. Admit that and it'll make anything else you have to spew afterwards more relevant, but I doubt you will.

Facts will always undermine your right wing rhetoric, so you'll type "Riiiiight" in a patronising way to make you feel better, but FACTS are your enemy, so you and your ilk will describe them as "fake news".

Here's another article that you probably cheerleaded too...

There it is...the tactic of the snowflake left...lose the argument and resort to name-calling. I'm just surprised it took you so long. You're the loudmouth in the pub who talks over everyone and thinks he's 'winning'. Probably no point carrying on, your unpleasant character is clear for all to see all over these forums. Plus you keep getting things wrong and it's all a bit embarrassing.

Racist? Yawn. Woes? I have very few. Blame? I control my own destiny. I prefer facts to emotion if it's all the same to you.

Now, where are wrencat and bren2k and a couple of others for some [size=60(reasonably)[/size challenging and intelligent opposition.

House.

Too slow. Axe2grind got there first, the race card trumps all others.

The funny is thing is that you've shown yourself up again. You're arguing with a persona you want me to be, rather than what I actually am. You don't respond to the facts pointed out to you, you rant. You don't debate, you...oh whatever it's very boring.

You remind me of someone...

You claimed the poster wasn't false, then you claimed you were talking abut the picture, not the poster when you were found out with the facts.....Then you claim that I don't respond well to facts?

You are a racist and you know what, I think you know you are and you are happy that you are.

You didn't answer any of my questions then, you won't answer any now. But I'll try again:

A genuine picture of some of the million+ immigrants invited into the EU by Angela Merkel flooding through the Balkans. A poster saying the EU has failed, let's take back control. Now - take this bit reeaally slowly so it sinks in - the EU had indeed completely failed to manage the immigration crisis, and the EU does indeed hold an enormous degree of control over our everyday lives, which those of us with some cohones and common sense want back.

As I've already acknowledged, it was crude and distasteful - but untruthful it was not.

I'm not sure which bit you're struggling with.



Anyone want a game of 'racist bingo'? How many times he can say 'racist' in his next post? I'll start at 3. [size=40bet I lose[/size

The poster states that the EU has failed us all and then goes on to say it's time to take back control of[u=#FF0000 OUR BORDERS[/u. To be clear here, Britain never relinquished control of its borders to anyone......
.....I've never stated that the EU is perfect, I just pointed out the blatant lie in a poster.

I am 100% accurate here.....it made a claim about taking back something that wasn't actually taken away, but it used brown faces thousands of miles away for added impetus.

You are indicative of the stubborn folk who refuse to admit you were duped by these lies and false promises. You claim to be clever and know exactly what you were voting for but if so, you are in the minority. Nobody knows for sure what happens once you leave, but EVERYONE knows that the immigration fallacy and NHS bullsh17 lies were a major factor in the Leave vote winning.

As for racist Bingo. You are a Racist. There can be no doubt. The fact that you went into such detail about the picture in the poster but have repeatedly misquoted the wording shows that you know it was a lie and are painting yourself into a racist corner by continuing to deny it.

That's 3 BTW....you win

Racism bore.

It's not boring to me....but it certainly makes you feel uncomfortable to be exposed as a bigot. You probably convinced yourself that straight bananas, overpaid EU politicians and giving the NHS badly needed funds were the reasons you voted to leave, but the reality is that you just don't like foreigners.

In related news. If you go around conquering close to 2/3rds of the worlds surface, don't be stunned when those chickens come home to roost. A great example will be the cost of a FTA with China. As a result of our FTA agreement here in NZ with China, Auckland is now awash with some wealthy chinese but a bucket load of middle class chinese and their extended families. This has driven house prices up to unacceptable levels and Kiwi's can no longer get on the ladder. If you want to do business with these people, then your little racist heart will be all aflutter when boat loads of chinese arrive as the kicker to the deal

[iOnly racists say they are not racist.[/i
[iOnly the racist lives by the heartbeat of denial.[/i
I envision Cronus as a more [iHarry Paget Flashman[/i type.

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

https://boris-johnson-lies.com/

WMD?