Announced over 4 years ago that there would be 200,000 affordable homes built, for the young and first time buyers.
So far, despite funds having been committed to the project, they have built...………….0 (NONE)

Never mind "just about managing (JAMS)" more like couldnt give a toss.
Screw the poor and look after your own - just as it's always been

and Labour built how many?

You really are tiresome, you don't like the Conservative party, we know, you'd prefer socialist dogma and a massively expensive public service. News for you, it's not what the majority want. You'll be crying into your cornflakes come December 13th when we will have a government and Cringebin will be but a footnote.

So you are happy that there have been ZERO "starter homes" built under this scheme ?
Trying to deflect the point with some schoolyard take on Corbyn's surname doesn't really help, does it ?

As to what will happen in the election, we all have to wait and see.
The in fighting within the Tory and Brexit ranks makes everything rather difficult to predict but, thanks for your input on this one, as ever, it's well informed and really helpful

So, HOW MANY DID LABOUR BUILD?

Or can you not answer?

Be as attempted at patronising as you want, we'll just sit here laughing at you, tigertot, bren2k et al, you do know the pits are all closed and Mrs Miggins sold the pie shop to Subway some years ago?

HOW CAN YOU MAKE A COMPARISON ?? They are not in power and they didn't have this failed policy in place when they were.
Yes, the pits have all gone (just about) and feel free to laugh.
You clearly enjoy the prospect of further austerity cuts and those with the least having even less.

I believe the figure that you were looking for was somewhere around 7000 over the course of the last Labour government.
A pitiful amount, albeit, slightly higher than 0.

I laugh at the general malaise of the work shy, do nowt and expect a handout generation, thankfully the Unions are dying, socialism is all but consigned to the wind and the ageing romantics are getting older by the day. As the saying goes, the older I get, the better I was. Jealousy is a sad thing, Johnson and his family have worked for what they have, what has Cringebin ever done, still pulling £100k plus a year for being useless though.

Who are you calling workshy ?



I've been fortunate enough to have worked full time since I was 16 and havent had any time off sick for over 20 years.



You really need to stop tarring anyone who doesn't share your right wing views, with the same brush.
Unlike you, I'm happy to contribute my "share" through taxation and support those less well off and if that makes me a socialist, then, great, I'll take that.

Johnson like Corbyn, has been largely a career politician, it's just their politics that are different.

Right wing views? far from it, I am just sick to the back teeth of the corrosion of Britain by the left, ban fireworks, everyone eat vegan, equal rights (but some are more equal than others) it will come to an abrupt stop, we are out of the EU (and the more the EU have tried to hold us to ransom, the more convinced i am we should leave, and i initially voted remain) You are happy to feed the prolific state services, good for you, I am not, I see waste at every turn.

I know this isn't the Brexit thread but, where do you believe that the EU are holding us to ransom ?
The fact that Farage & Co want out, with out having actually thought things through beforehand (especially in relation to N. Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement) is a situation of "our" own making and not the fault of the EU.
The fact that we've had £ Tory Leaders who have each made a balls of things, isn't the fault of the EU, is it ?

This is far from ideal - however did this commitment continue into Mrs May's 2017 manifesto? If it did then its a pretty grim if it didn't then its a non-story - which is it?

We can all look at policy promises that both parties have failed to deliver - the past is the past perhaps its now time to analyse what the future might look like under either party.

Labour have a number of very attractive propositions - increasing fairness, remove tuition fees etc. The tories are about creating an environment where business can flourish and the inevitable inequality that will bring.

The issue for me is Labour's idea that re-nationalising key businesses will be self-funding and that these entities will be better off under public ownership. The sheer cost of Labour's manifesto will be eye-watering and will make the borrowing to fund the banking crisis look like pocket money. Debt will be off the scale and they cannot simply tax the rich and companies it will mean increased personal taxation it has to.

The Tories seem to lack precision for me but I do think the economy will ultimately do better under the Tories as business will get more room for growth. Will this filter down - that is the challenge. Do I think food banks and homelessness is a huge issue not in the bigger scheme of things its grabs headlines but if you could get food for free why wouldn't you?

Labour have shot themselves in the foot with their policy on Brexit - its not credible, the privatisation of the NHS is once again not credible, the spending plans are not credible. The Tories look tired and they need to increase the energy of their campaign and quickly. An interesting campaign

You've got some poo on your nose.

Nothing to add, what a surprise.

Christ on a bike you're naive if you believe that. His heritage dates back to Turkish/Germanic royalty and he was educated at ing ETON.
He left uni with an imaginary degree, lost his first journalistic job for telling lies, wrote click bait for the far right, span crap about straight bananas and if he was unemployed tomorrow, his kids by no matter how many women would all be set for life...not because he's a genius, but because his heritage afforded him access to connections.
He is not stupid......by no stretch should anyone think of him as he would like you to. Elected head of the Oxford Union is like being an apprentice PM. He is nobody's fool, although he'd love you to think he is....
He is a lot of things, but a self made man he isn't!

Didn't he get a scholarship to Eton?

After already attending a prep-boarding school.
Also, kings scholars are means tested with most paying 50% of the fees..... So hardly a paupers tale.
He was a bright kid, but he is a cunning self interested fellow who has little interest in the lot of ordinary folk.

Don't sweat it. That basically means you don't conform to the hard left.

All successful people have a cunning self interest - that is what drives them on.

For someone who lists 'history' amongst his hobbies you're not so hot on the fact-checking, as proven on your syllabus post.

There is a single tenuous link to royalty via one of his paternal great-great-grandmothers, who may or may not have been the illegitimate daughter of Prince Paul of Württemberg (a duchy, only elevated to kingdom status by Napoleon Bonaparte when it joined his Confederation of the Rhine). Being illegitimate doesn't really provide much of an advantage.

The Turkish link is a paternal great-grandparent - Ali Kemal - a journalist and later politician, who was stoned to death for opposing Ataturk. Not royalty.

Also on his paternal side one of the other great-grandparents hails from the Pfeffel family - certainly a successful bunch - but again, not royalty.

On his maternal side the ancestral mix is interesting, but definitely no royalty in there.

I'm not saying his family doesn't have some middle-upper class roots, and his father certainly moves in 'upper' circles having been successful in his own right (after starting out as a sheep farmer). But stating "he's from German/Turkish royalty" is simply not true.

As for the "imaginary degree", he gained an Upper Second Class Honours in the School of Literae Humaniores, more widely known as 'Classics' or 'Greats' - considered one of the hardest degrees Oxford offers and the degree the very best scholars tend to go for. For a start, fluent knowledge of Latin and Ancient Greek is required. I dare say you have achieved better?

That's a hell of a well researched cheerlead for Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson.

It's often said that a good chunk of Brits are still serfs, and are only happy when the posh folk are in charge. Their own lack of self esteem makes them distrust people who are from the same class as they are. Unless of course you're an old Etonian who is verging on aristocracy?

Not a cheerlead at all - just facts, clearly stated. When someone states Boris Johnson is descended from "Turkish/German royalty" I think to myself - not something I knew before, so I do some deeper research to find - oh look, it's simply not true.
I do give him credit for his Classics degree as it's a quite an achievement by any measure. I would do the same for anyone.

I did the same sort of research a few years ago when Corbyn first came to prominence and I first heard "he supports the IRA and various other terrorists", only to find that [iIS [/itrue.

Your final paragraph is utter nonsense. I couldn't care less who is in charge - I don't suffer from politics of envy - as long as they do a good job along the lines I believe in.

Your use of google is worthy of a 2nd....my knowledge of Latin is that I am pretty much fluent, but my greek is zero and my point, which you attempt to decry is still valid. BoJo is not a man of the people and his "scholarship" was one not open to common folk. His Grandparents were both literary and read folk...every family has a sheep farmer in it....not many were publishing books a decade before they entered politics...and not many attended Sherborne School...another Boarding School.....with firm ties to ETON.....who issued the friendly scholarship.

And just what lines of Johnson's do you believe in? The only believable thing about Johnson is that he's a proven liar, and a calculated act.

Do you consider that any of the three leaders in the last 3 years have actually done a "good job" ?
Cameron gave us a referendum, to (ironically) prevent his own party from splitting.
May, was just a wind bag and achieved nothing and Boris, just seems like a fantasist and again, apart from mickeying away his very slender majority, has yet to achieve anything, apart from fabricating promises, all of which have been proven to be somewhat exaggerated.

With Corbyn "leading" the opposition, what choice do we actually have - it's just depressing.

What chance has Boris had - he simply cannot get anything through Parliament and the whole political system is stymied until we move on one way or another on Brexit.

After your recent posts I'm not sure I believe anything you say. Tu loqueris stercora.



As I've already said, you stated something I hadn't heard before and when that happens I like to look into things. Now, you might use 'Ask Jeeves' but most folk turn to Google. And the reason I hadn't heard it before is because [iit simply isn't true[/i. You either lap up everything you hear on social media or you're telling lies to suit your agenda, or both.

My understanding is that anyone can apply for the notoriously difficult King's Scholarship although I'm not blind to the fact most will come from certain prep schools (happy to be corrected on any of this).

And so what if his family has been successful in various fields? Yes, the wealthy and successful will go to the best schools. So? Or are you suggesting they've all had everything handed to them on a silver platter? True, he got a couple of early journalist jobs through connections and acquaintances - no different to "son, my mate owns a garage, I've got you a job as a trainee". But he still had to work for his impressive academic achievements and to get where he is today.

You smack of envy, nothing more.